Brawl at end of KU/KSU basketball game

Guys, I officiated in the old SWC, MO Conf and Big 10, now I have been out for a long time but the rule used to be "leave the bench and it's one game" I don't know if it is still that way or not. If so there are a lot of guys who will see at least one game suspension, now the coach use to be able to move those around so that not everyone is out at the same time. What I saw is two or three guys that should be done for the year.
 
Reading that KU forum makes me thankful that we get to enjoy such a great community of posters here at OUhoops.com..... Those guys are insane.
 
MsProudSooner said:
Pat Forde's column on the KU/KSU brawl.

Ugly Brawl With Rival K-State Shines Another Embarrassing Light on Self, Kansas
PAT FORDE56 MINUTES AGO


The Kansas Jayhawks extended their national lead in bad optics Tuesday night. Will the university choose to do something about it this time?

There was Silvio De Sousa, of all players, holding a stool over his head, ready to commit assault and battery amid an astonishing brawl at the end of a blowout of rival Kansas State. Someone intervened, grabbing it out of his hands, and he was stopped short of potentially doing grievous harm to someone. But the image will be the most indelible in a string of embarrassing ones for a blueblood program.

The Bill Self texts with Adidas bag man T.J. Gassnola. The school wrapping itself in victim status, claiming Adidas had defrauded it, then agreeing to a $196 million new contract with the shoe and apparel company. The Snoop Dogg money cannon and stripper poles.

Now this. Now De Sousa, whose eligibility was surprisingly restored upon appeal of NCAA sanctions before the season after being implicated in the federal investigation of college basketball, blew that second chance in favor of thrown punches and a raised weapon in the scariest basketball scene in many years. De Sousa might have been a pawn in a corruption scheme years ago, but he can’t claim any naïveté here.

He also had plenty of company.

Kansas hasn’t owned much of anything since September 2017, when the corruption scandal erupted in college hoops. But it will have to own this.

“That’s an embarrassment on our part,” Self said afterward. “... There will be consequences.”

There should be for Kansas State as well. It takes two teams to tango in a melee, and the Wildcats were willing pugilists. The whole thing was an embarrassment to a great basketball rivalry.

Louisville and Kentucky hate each other, but they don’t do that. Duke and North Carolina hate each other, but they don’t do that. Same with Purdue and Indiana, Auburn and Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan.

But the Wildcats certainly carry less baggage into this fiasco than the Jayhawks. The cumulative effect never seems to catch up to coach Bill Self, who has won enough to buy himself a seemingly bottomless reservoir of leeway with his administration.

If the schools punt discipline in this one, the Big 12 needs to drop the hammer. It will take a while to unwind all the video and make clear decisions, but they need to be forceful decisions. No wrist slaps. No “expedience” looking ahead at potential competitive disadvantages.

The conference should think what the reputational damage is from the image of De Sousa looking to take a weapon down on someone. And all the other combatants as well.

Do they need to play again this season? If so, why?

David Stern dropped the hammer on several players—most notably Ron Artest—after the Malice in the Palace. This isn’t quite as bad as that, but it might be the most flagrant basketball fight since then.

Plenty of innocent fans and bystanders were put in harm’s way. That has to be taken into consideration.

The sad thing for college basketball is that an unrestrained brawl just became the most memorable moment of a muddled season. No super teams, no superstars—but hey, here’s a super melee. The rest of the sport should be mad at Kansas and Kansas State, too.

Silvio De Sousa, of all people, wielding a stool as a weapon in a brawl pretty well speaks to the state of the game right now. It’s a sad statement.
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Pat Forde is a Missouri grad that hates KU with a passion, lol.
 
If everyone on your team is in the stands and clears the bench don't they get suspended usually a game at least??? So, wouldn't that be basically everyone or almost everyone from both teams?
 
tmeyer3307 said:
If everyone on your team is in the stands and clears the bench don't they get suspended usually a game at least??? So, wouldn't that be basically everyone or almost everyone from both teams?
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would be wild if they both had to forfeit their games Saturday
 
bet they stagger the suspensions... Seems fair right?
 
CoachTalk said:
bet they stagger the suspensions... Seems fair right?
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Naw make them both forfeit a game, Kansas loses ticket revenue for the Tennessee game, KSU has to pay Alabama for the loss of ticket revenue. Both Tennessee and Alabama get credit for a Win
 
tmeyer3307 said:
If everyone on your team is in the stands and clears the bench don't they get suspended usually a game at least??? So, wouldn't that be basically everyone or almost everyone from both teams?
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Last night everyone but 3 walk-ons for ku and everyone but the 5 players on the floor for ksu got ejected. Anyway that’s what the announcers said.
 
they need best players to be hit at the same time. but big 12 has no balls. so its doubtful.
 
Max Power said:
Naw make them both forfeit a game, Kansas loses ticket revenue for the Tennessee game, KSU has to pay Alabama for the loss of ticket revenue. Both Tennessee and Alabama get credit for a Win
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ideal. BUT NOT happening....

Needs to cost them big 12 games. Not NonConference!
 
CoachTalk said:
bet they stagger the suspensions... Seems fair right?
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Ku only had 3 (I assumed) walk-ons not get ejected...so I’m assuming they will.

Desousa and #13 the FR will prob have multiple games. Desousa had the chair the FR was stomping on the ksu guy.
 
Soonerinkc said:
Last night everyone but 3 walk-ons for ku and everyone but the 5 players on the floor for ksu got ejected. Anyway that’s what the announcers said.
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The clock had hit zero and players were walking onto the court for the handshake. Clearly they ended up in the fight eventually, but that wasn't why they initially left the bench. Obviously it turned out they put a second back on the clock after reviewing it, but when the players left the bench, they did so because the game was over. I doubt they will all get suspended because of a clock operator error. And I don't know that college has the automatic suspension rule that the NBA has for leaving the bench, anyway.

There are probably three guys per team looking at suspensions, some of which will be lengthy. De Sousa is going to be suspended for a long time, but he is lucky that he didn't manage to actually use that stool or else he would be in even more trouble, and not just from a basketball standpoint.
 
WichitaSooner said:
The clock had hit zero and players were walking onto the court for the handshake. Clearly they ended up in the fight eventually, but that wasn't why they initially left the bench. Obviously it turned out they put a second back on the clock after reviewing it, but when the players left the bench, they did so because the game was over. I doubt they will all get suspended because of a clock operator error. And I don't know that college has the automatic suspension rule that the NBA has for leaving the bench, anyway.

There are probably three guys per team looking at suspensions, some of which will be lengthy. De Sousa is going to be suspended for a long time, but he is lucky that he didn't manage to actually use that stool or else he would be in even more trouble, and not just from a basketball standpoint.
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Ending reminded me of Cleveland-Pittsburgh.
 
WichitaSooner said:
The clock had hit zero and players were walking onto the court for the handshake. Clearly they ended up in the fight eventually, but that wasn't why they initially left the bench. Obviously it turned out they put a second back on the clock after reviewing it, but when the players left the bench, they did so because the game was over. I doubt they will all get suspended because of a clock operator error. And I don't know that college has the automatic suspension rule that the NBA has for leaving the bench, anyway.

There are probably three guys per team looking at suspensions, some of which will be lengthy. De Sousa is going to be suspended for a long time, but he is lucky that he didn't manage to actually use that stool or else he would be in even more trouble, and not just from a basketball standpoint.
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Just saying what the refs told the announcers last night which they then told watchers.
 
Soonerinkc said:
Just saying what the refs told the announcers last night which they then told watchers.
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I understand, sorry if it seemed like I was questioning you on that. Was just making a more general comment regarding the situation and what I expect to happen. The craziest part of the entire thing was that it was completely out of the blue. The game was a blowout and there wasn't any chippy play, and then all of a sudden things went nuts.
 
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