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Brawl at end of KU/KSU basketball game
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The funny thing is everyone from both benches ejected... desousa ejected. Ku had 3 walk ons “finish” the game.
It’d be hilarious if they all got a 1 game suspension...
It’d be hilarious if they all got a 1 game suspension...
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DeSousa channeling his inner Juan Marichal there for a minute:
i think he went full iverson. allegedly.
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the punishment has to come from self first. indefinite suspension untill ncaa gives their say. wow.
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You’ve got a lot more confidence in Self than I do. He recruits thugs, then he does everything he can to protect them when they get in trouble. I’m too tired to include a list of the players I’m talking about, but if you will Google “KU basketball scandals” you’ll find it. That doesn’t mean all of his players are thugs. But he definitely gets more than his share. Bill is also good at stalling and making excuses for these players until the season is over or they move on to the NBA.
That’s one of the reasons I hope the NCAA will give him what he deserves when the current investigation is over.
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Shouldn’t have to wait for Self. The big12 should immediately suspend him until a full review. Then, ban him for the entire season.
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yeah, you’re right about big 12. just sayin this is self’s chance to look like the good guy to the ncaa. no way he can’t act on either player while sanctions loom.
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Amazing stuff on the KU board
Amazing stuff on the KU board
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Phogusher is an imbecile.
I doubt any sane person would argue with you.
I liked the way both coaches handled it in their press conferences with neither trying to blame everything on the other. Weber basically said he wish his guy just backed off when KU was trying to dribble it out to end the game. He said he even gave them instructions to back off, but also said you never want to make too big a deal out of a guy playing hard until the buzzer. Self was smart to just say that he needs to see the tape before making any decisions, but unless anyone on here knows De Sousa personally, I think we've seen the last of him for this season.
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I absolutely cannot stand teams/players that did what KSU did there. You are getting your butt handed to you, the other team is trying to dribble out the clock, and you are trying to play pressure defense and get a steal. KU should have just driven the ball in and scored if that is how KSU wanted to play it. So, I don't mind KU hustling down for the block. It wasn't the block that started the brawn, it was the KU player standing over the KSU guy, and I'm sure saying something.
Again though, none of this happens if KSU lets KU dribble out the clock. Pet peeve of mine.
Again though, none of this happens if KSU lets KU dribble out the clock. Pet peeve of mine.
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the ksu player in street clothes should get the worst of the suspention
desousa the second worst
desousa the second worst
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A big reason I hate KU more than OSU and Texas is because they've always had that morally superior attitude (much like Nebraska football did in the late 1970's into the 80's). Both also had a very "homer media" behind them in those bogus claims.
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Pat Forde's column on the KU/KSU brawl.
Ugly Brawl With Rival K-State Shines Another Embarrassing Light on Self, Kansas
PAT FORDE56 MINUTES AGO
The Kansas Jayhawks extended their national lead in bad optics Tuesday night. Will the university choose to do something about it this time?
There was Silvio De Sousa, of all players, holding a stool over his head, ready to commit assault and battery amid an astonishing brawl at the end of a blowout of rival Kansas State. Someone intervened, grabbing it out of his hands, and he was stopped short of potentially doing grievous harm to someone. But the image will be the most indelible in a string of embarrassing ones for a blueblood program.
The Bill Self texts with Adidas bag man T.J. Gassnola. The school wrapping itself in victim status, claiming Adidas had defrauded it, then agreeing to a $196 million new contract with the shoe and apparel company. The Snoop Dogg money cannon and stripper poles.
Now this. Now De Sousa, whose eligibility was surprisingly restored upon appeal of NCAA sanctions before the season after being implicated in the federal investigation of college basketball, blew that second chance in favor of thrown punches and a raised weapon in the scariest basketball scene in many years. De Sousa might have been a pawn in a corruption scheme years ago, but he can’t claim any naïveté here.
He also had plenty of company.
Kansas hasn’t owned much of anything since September 2017, when the corruption scandal erupted in college hoops. But it will have to own this.
“That’s an embarrassment on our part,” Self said afterward. “... There will be consequences.”
There should be for Kansas State as well. It takes two teams to tango in a melee, and the Wildcats were willing pugilists. The whole thing was an embarrassment to a great basketball rivalry.
Louisville and Kentucky hate each other, but they don’t do that. Duke and North Carolina hate each other, but they don’t do that. Same with Purdue and Indiana, Auburn and Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan.
But the Wildcats certainly carry less baggage into this fiasco than the Jayhawks. The cumulative effect never seems to catch up to coach Bill Self, who has won enough to buy himself a seemingly bottomless reservoir of leeway with his administration.
If the schools punt discipline in this one, the Big 12 needs to drop the hammer. It will take a while to unwind all the video and make clear decisions, but they need to be forceful decisions. No wrist slaps. No “expedience” looking ahead at potential competitive disadvantages.
The conference should think what the reputational damage is from the image of De Sousa looking to take a weapon down on someone. And all the other combatants as well.
Do they need to play again this season? If so, why?
David Stern dropped the hammer on several players—most notably Ron Artest—after the Malice in the Palace. This isn’t quite as bad as that, but it might be the most flagrant basketball fight since then.
Plenty of innocent fans and bystanders were put in harm’s way. That has to be taken into consideration.
The sad thing for college basketball is that an unrestrained brawl just became the most memorable moment of a muddled season. No super teams, no superstars—but hey, here’s a super melee. The rest of the sport should be mad at Kansas and Kansas State, too.
Silvio De Sousa, of all people, wielding a stool as a weapon in a brawl pretty well speaks to the state of the game right now. It’s a sad statement.
Ugly Brawl With Rival K-State Shines Another Embarrassing Light on Self, Kansas
PAT FORDE56 MINUTES AGO
The Kansas Jayhawks extended their national lead in bad optics Tuesday night. Will the university choose to do something about it this time?
There was Silvio De Sousa, of all players, holding a stool over his head, ready to commit assault and battery amid an astonishing brawl at the end of a blowout of rival Kansas State. Someone intervened, grabbing it out of his hands, and he was stopped short of potentially doing grievous harm to someone. But the image will be the most indelible in a string of embarrassing ones for a blueblood program.
The Bill Self texts with Adidas bag man T.J. Gassnola. The school wrapping itself in victim status, claiming Adidas had defrauded it, then agreeing to a $196 million new contract with the shoe and apparel company. The Snoop Dogg money cannon and stripper poles.
Now this. Now De Sousa, whose eligibility was surprisingly restored upon appeal of NCAA sanctions before the season after being implicated in the federal investigation of college basketball, blew that second chance in favor of thrown punches and a raised weapon in the scariest basketball scene in many years. De Sousa might have been a pawn in a corruption scheme years ago, but he can’t claim any naïveté here.
He also had plenty of company.
Kansas hasn’t owned much of anything since September 2017, when the corruption scandal erupted in college hoops. But it will have to own this.
“That’s an embarrassment on our part,” Self said afterward. “... There will be consequences.”
There should be for Kansas State as well. It takes two teams to tango in a melee, and the Wildcats were willing pugilists. The whole thing was an embarrassment to a great basketball rivalry.
Louisville and Kentucky hate each other, but they don’t do that. Duke and North Carolina hate each other, but they don’t do that. Same with Purdue and Indiana, Auburn and Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan.
But the Wildcats certainly carry less baggage into this fiasco than the Jayhawks. The cumulative effect never seems to catch up to coach Bill Self, who has won enough to buy himself a seemingly bottomless reservoir of leeway with his administration.
If the schools punt discipline in this one, the Big 12 needs to drop the hammer. It will take a while to unwind all the video and make clear decisions, but they need to be forceful decisions. No wrist slaps. No “expedience” looking ahead at potential competitive disadvantages.
The conference should think what the reputational damage is from the image of De Sousa looking to take a weapon down on someone. And all the other combatants as well.
Do they need to play again this season? If so, why?
David Stern dropped the hammer on several players—most notably Ron Artest—after the Malice in the Palace. This isn’t quite as bad as that, but it might be the most flagrant basketball fight since then.
Plenty of innocent fans and bystanders were put in harm’s way. That has to be taken into consideration.
The sad thing for college basketball is that an unrestrained brawl just became the most memorable moment of a muddled season. No super teams, no superstars—but hey, here’s a super melee. The rest of the sport should be mad at Kansas and Kansas State, too.
Silvio De Sousa, of all people, wielding a stool as a weapon in a brawl pretty well speaks to the state of the game right now. It’s a sad statement.
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