Cade davis

[Shooterms]

This is my opinion as well.

I did hoop and yes I'm a legend (in my mind). No I didn't play D1, although with me being a legend and all, I think I could have at least walked on at OU. It's not true, but I was always taught to have self-confidence....anyways, a player at any level can respect Cade's heart and hustle. He's just not that talented no matter how you slice it. I'll say the same thing about myself. Here goes, "I'm an average player at best", there. Could I play on the same court as Cade though? Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I've guarded better players as of last week. I was on the same court as Ebi when he was dominating at McClain (he had like 46, not on me per se, but my team as a whole), I've guarded Azubuike (Victory Christian/Kentucky/NBA) (he lit me up epically but he didn't play a lick of D back then so I had my share), I was dunked on by Jack Marlow (7'2) (Union/Fresno/forgot) and Ralph Charles (Union/NSU) (I'm 6'4 so it wasn't fair to have to guard those guys), I've guarded and/or played against Jason Parker (Memorial/Tulsa), Dante Swanson (Wagoner/Tulsa), Luke Dobbins (Tahlequah/NEO/Tulsa), Junior Blount (BTW/TCU), etc, etc, etc. I was always a regular at the Bally's (it's closed now) on 61st and Memorial in T-town. All the Tulsa and ORU guys in those days (97-00) played there...I'm not boasting because like I said, "I'm an average player" compared to all these guys. Just attempting to debunk the little myth that someone would be scared of playing Cade. Never, unless you have the athletic abilities of a 100 year old. Cade doesn't provoke any fear to any of the opposing teams either. And yes, I'm proud of playing HS and NAIA ball and I don't care if you mock it or make fun of it. It is what it is. I'd likely run circles around 95-99% of this board excluding the guys that actually played D1. And that's no internet lie.

Like NormanPride stated, he's easily a middle of the pack guy in the Big 12...need we go national? I already added a stat that showed he's 321st in the nation in 3pt%! Nationally, the name Cade Davis doesn't exist. It's the equivalent of Paul Thompson in football. Local legend and a nobody amongst the masses.

Cade's career stats
7.8 ppg
3 rpg
1 apg

Sorry I've learned that facts aren't allowed on this board. Oh well.

 

[StatGeek]

This is my opinion as well.

I did hoop and yes I'm a legend (in my mind). No I didn't play D1, although with me being a legend and all, I think I could have at least walked on at OU. It's not true, but I was always taught to have self-confidence....anyways, a player at any level can respect Cade's heart and hustle. He's just not that talented no matter how you slice it. I'll say the same thing about myself. Here goes, "I'm an average player at best", there. Could I play on the same court as Cade though? Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I've guarded better players as of last week. I was on the same court as Ebi when he was dominating at McClain (he had like 46, not on me per se, but my team as a whole), I've guarded Azubuike (Victory Christian/Kentucky/NBA) (he lit me up epically but he didn't play a lick of D back then so I had my share), I was dunked on by Jack Marlow (7'2) (Union/Fresno/forgot) and Ralph Charles (Union/NSU) (I'm 6'4 so it wasn't fair to have to guard those guys), I've guarded and/or played against Jason Parker (Memorial/Tulsa), Dante Swanson (Wagoner/Tulsa), Luke Dobbins (Tahlequah/NEO/Tulsa), Junior Blount (BTW/TCU), etc, etc, etc. I was always a regular at the Bally's (it's closed now) on 61st and Memorial in T-town. All the Tulsa and ORU guys in those days (97-00) played there...I'm not boasting because like I said, "I'm an average player" compared to all these guys. Just attempting to debunk the little myth that someone would be scared of playing Cade. Never, unless you have the athletic abilities of a 100 year old. Cade doesn't provoke any fear to any of the opposing teams either. And yes, I'm proud of playing HS and NAIA ball and I don't care if you mock it or make fun of it. It is what it is. I'd likely run circles around 95-99% of this board excluding the guys that actually played D1. And that's no internet lie.

Like NormanPride stated, he's easily a middle of the pack guy in the Big 12...need we go national? I already added a stat that showed he's 321st in the nation in 3pt%! Nationally, the name Cade Davis doesn't exist. It's the equivalent of Paul Thompson in football. Local legend and a nobody amongst the masses.

Cade's career stats
7.8 ppg
3 rpg
1 apg

Sorry I've learned that facts aren't allowed on this board. Oh well.

I miss running with T Gill, R Rutherford and the boys at Ballys.......good times.

 

[bgrch1350]

If your going to compare stats....take the players last 2 seasons...that will give the better estimate to their career here.

 

[Soonerborn03]

Ok 13.0 so far this year and 9.9 last year...Ok how many guys this decade (2000-now) has eclipsed 13 ppg...

Fitz (right now)
Willie Warren
TMG
Blake
Willie again
Blake again
Taj Gray
Taj Gray again
Hollis Price
Hollis Price again
Aaron McGhee
Ebi Ere
Ed Najera
JR Raymond
Nolan Johnson

And you really do have to weigh in the argument about talent level. Cade wouldn't start on most of those Sampson teams, IMO.

I agree with everything you've said. It's just not worth arguing about because neither side is going to budge.

 

[bgrch1350]

And you really do have to weigh in the argument about talent level. Cade wouldn't start on most of those Sampson teams, IMO.

95 would start over Fowler
96 over Barnes
97 over Evan
98 over Johnson
99 over Spaulding
00 over Johnson
01 over Heywood/Newton
02 would not start
03 would not start
04 over Mckenzie/Alexander
05 over Williams/Godbold
06 over Godbold

I officially disagree with your statement. He would start on all but 2 teams as a senior.

 

[Big Old Booger]

95 would start over Fowler
96 over Barnes
97 over Evan
98 over Johnson
99 over Spaulding
00 over Johnson
01 over Heywood/Newton
02 would not start
03 would not start
04 over Mckenzie/Alexander
05 over Williams/Godbold
06 over Godbold

I officially disagree with your statement. He would start on all but 2 teams as a senior.

I'm as big a Cade Davis fan as you can find but most of those you list are delusional.

Cade is not a 2 or a 5, so no chance does he ever start over Fowler or Barnes, or Evan Wiley. Cade is a 3, and would have been behind Minor in 95 and 96, and then played behind Erdmann in 97.

Michael Johnson was the PG in 98 and 99...no way Cade is a PG on an NCAA tourney team, which is what Johnson was. No chance he starts over Johnson.

No, he doesn't start over Nolan Johnson either. Nolan Johnson would be a star on this team and the best player.

Newton didn't start by seasons end...he was a backup role player and as mentioned before, Cade is not a 2G. He would push Heywood for playing time, and could beat him out to start although Heywood played in the paint more than Cade. He was more of a blue-collar player, but Cade is far more athletic so I could see that one.

Any assertion that he would start at the PG, 2G or 5 spot is just wrong. Like I say, Cade is a good player but this is taking it a little much.

Just because he starts on the worst OU team in 40 years doesn't mean he would start on some of the better OU teams in the last 40 years.

 

[bgrch1350]

I'm as big a Cade Davis fan as you can find but most of those you list are delusional.

Cade is not a 2 or a 5, so no chance does he ever start over Fowler or Barnes, or Evan Wiley. Cade is a 3, and would have been behind Minor in 95 and 96, and then played behind Erdmann in 97. 95 Fowler...6.7ppg Fowler? He would have Started at the 2. Cade is a 2 that can play multiple positions. Plus...Barnes only started 12/30 games. And he only averaged 2.4rpg.

Michael Johnson was the PG in 98 and 99...no way Cade is a PG on an NCAA tourney team, which is what Johnson was. No chance he starts over Johnson. You might be right...but then again...Brewer could have ran the Point and Davis could have played the 2. But I will give you this one.

No, he doesn't start over Nolan Johnson either. Nolan Johnson would be a star on this team and the best player. He would have started over Johnson in 00 not in 01. Thats when I said he would have started.

Newton didn't start by seasons end...he was a backup role player and as mentioned before, Cade is not a 2G. He would push Heywood for playing time, and could beat him out to start although Heywood played in the paint more than Cade. He was more of a blue-collar player, but Cade is far more athletic so I could see that one. Cade is a 2....I don't care what you think...thats his natural position.

Any assertion that he would start at the PG, 2G or 5 spot is just wrong. Like I say, Cade is a good player but this is taking it a little much. He would start at the 2. I don't understand why you don't think he would start at the 2. And I never had him at the 1 or 5. Every position I had him starting was either the SG or SF. You need to do some research.

Just because he starts on the worst OU team in 40 years doesn't mean he would start on some of the better OU teams in the last 40 years.

You need to look at the starters....go to soonerstats.com. Cade Davis is a SG...I don't care if he plays the 3 the 4 or the 5 on this team...He is a SG.

 

[bgrch1350]

Not to mention Booger...How in the world do you not consider one of the all time 3pt shooters at OU not a SG?

 

[Section31]

KS would've found a way to start CD...Cade is EXACTLY KS's kind of player...

 

[Big Old Booger]

You need to look at the starters....go to soonerstats.com. Cade Davis is a SG...I don't care if he plays the 3 the 4 or the 5 on this team...He is a SG.

In Kelvin's system he would be a 3 and that's who was the coach back then.

No chance in hades he ever starts over Nolan Johnson. I like Cade but Nolan Johnson was one of the better players to have played for Kelvin.

Nolan was also a lockdown defender, probably a better defender than Cade if you want the truth because he was faster/quicker.

I could go along with him starting over Allison in 98. However, Allison didn't start the entire season and was probably a better outside shooter than Cade.

If you look back thru this thread you will see I have supported Cade but I can't defend him starting over some of the people you listed.

Just because he averaged more PPG than some of those doesn't mean he would start. Kelvin wouldn't play Cade at the PG because that's not the position Cade plays. He can do it because we don't have a PG this year, but it's not his position.

 

[Big Old Booger]

KS would've found a way to start CD...Cade is EXACTLY KS's kind of player...

He wouldn't have started him at the 1,2 or 5 spot and Kelvin most years had a dynamic 3 (Minor, Erdmann, Nolan Johnson, Ebi Ere, etc.).

 

[bgrch1350]

In Kelvin's system he would be a 3 and that's who was the coach back then.

No chance in hades he ever starts over Nolan Johnson. I like Cade but Nolan Johnson was one of the better players to have played for Kelvin. Johnson didn't even shoot 3's in '00. I will give you 01 Johnson but not '00 Johnson. Cade was just as good or even better rebounder, Johnson was not any better than Cade on defense, and Cade is a way better shooter

Nolan was also a lockdown defender, probably a better defender than Cade if you want the truth because he was faster/quicker. Sorry not any better than Cade. Cade has had to guard the PFs to the SGs...not any better.

I could go along with him starting over Allison in 98. However, Allison didn't start the entire season and was probably a better outside shooter than Cade. Alison was just a shooter, thats it and he only avg 6.3ppg.

If you look back thru this thread you will see I have supported Cade but I can't defend him starting over some of the people you listed. Thats your opinion..but I will start Cade as senior on a lot of the teams. You want to start Fowler who avg 6.7ppg...Barnes who avg 9.2...none of which were as good as defenders and rebounders as Davis.

Just because he averaged more PPG than some of those doesn't mean he would start. Kelvin wouldn't play Cade at the PG because that's not the position Cade plays. He can do it because we don't have a PG this year, but it's not his position. Again..I never listed him as starting at PG...I'm sorry if you don't know who started but every position I had him listed was either a SG or SF.

Again...do some research, see who started and then come back.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Just because he starts on the worst OU team in 40 years doesn't mean he would start on some of the better OU teams in the last 40 years.

Which would have absolutely no impact on Cade's effort and dedication. That part of his character is exactly what has been missing in a lot of our players lately. Even if Cade had been a 6th man for the teams mentioned, he would have given 110% every minute he was on the court. That is why people who love to take cheap shots at Cade are ridiculed on this board.

 

[bgrch1350]

For Bob. Position he would have started.
95 - 2
96 - 2
97 - 2
98 - 2 if Brewer runs the point, if not then he wouldn't start
99 - 2
00 - 3
01 - would not start
02 - would not start, unless Price ran point
03 - would not start
04 - 2
05 - 3
06 - 3

 

[Big Old Booger]

For Bob. Position he would have started.
95 - 2
96 - 2
97 - 2
98 - 2 if Brewer runs the point, if not then he wouldn't start
99 - 2
00 - 3
01 - would not start
02 - would not start, unless Price ran point
03 - would not start
04 - 2
05 - 3
06 - 3

I'm sorry but this argument is almost as dumb as your argument that you would rather have multiple losing seasons and an elite 8 than to have consecutive NCAA tournament appearances.

Cade is not and never will be a 2G, not in D-1 basketball. In D2, D3 or NAIA, yes, he could play 2G but he is not a good enough shooter, ballhandler or defender to play the 2G position. We would have been smoked by any team that had a quick 2G and plenty of teams do.

Your assumption that he would start over any 2G or Center is just wrong. I agree that he would have played a lot for Kelvin, but not at either position.

And, I don't care what year you think he would start over Nolan Johnson it simply isn't true.

Regarding these quotes:

He would start at the 2. I don't understand why you don't think he would start at the 2. And I never had him at the 1 or 5. Every position I had him starting was either the SG or SF. You need to do some research.

Again..I never listed him as starting at PG...I'm sorry if you don't know who started but every position I had him listed was either a SG or SF

In your original listing of teams he would have started, you listed:

98 over Johnson

Michael Johnson was the PG in 98. Nolan Johnson didn't join the team until the 99/2000 season. So, you certainly listed him to start at PG.

I watched all of these teams, and was a season ticket holder. I don't need soonerstats to tell me who started at what positions so don't come on here and tell me I don't know who played what positions.

 

[bgrch1350]

I'm sorry but this argument is almost as dumb as your argument that you would rather have multiple losing seasons and an elite 8 than to have consecutive NCAA tournament appearances.

Cade is not and never will be a 2G, not in D-1 basketball. In D2, D3 or NAIA, yes, he could play 2G but he is not a good enough shooter, ballhandler or defender to play the 2G position. We would have been smoked by any team that had a quick 2G and plenty of teams do. Wow, you amaze me...not good enough shooter...lol; ballhandler-he appears to be better than our PG at bringing the ball up...again..lol; not a good enough defender to play the 2...again lol. You are funny..are you being serious this stuff..I hope not

Your assumption that he would start over any 2G or Center is just wrong. I agree that he would have played a lot for Kelvin, but not at either position. Wow your a moron!! A Center...where did I say he would start at center. I have cleared it up in 2 threads where he would start and you continue to say Center.

And, I don't care what year you think he would start over Nolan Johnson it simply isn't true.

Regarding these quotes:




In your original listing of teams he would have started, you listed:



Michael Johnson was the PG in 98. Nolan Johnson didn't join the team until the 99/2000 season. So, you certainly listed him to start at PG.

I watched all of these teams, and was a season ticket holder. I don't need soonerstats to tell me who started at what positions so don't come on here and tell me I don't know who played what positions.

Apparently you do.

 

[bgrch1350]

In 1999 - I guy named Spaulding was also starting BOB so yes Davis would have started over him. He started 22/32 games

 

[bgrch1350]

Spaulding avg 4 ppg game...BOB...so please go look at some stats before you run your mouth.

 

[bgrch1350]

in 98...If you wanted Brewer at the 2...then M. Johnson would have started at the point..but if you wanted more scoring than Brewer would have started at the PG and Davis at the 2. You would also get more rebounding and defense with Cade out there.

 

[StoopsBros]

In 1999 - I guy named Spaulding was also starting BOB so yes Davis would have started over him. He started 22/32 games

You know my mind is getting fuzzy and I can't remember why Spaulding started. That said, here's the team's best 5 players that year and Cade wouldn't be one of them....

Tim Heskett, Ryan Humphrey, Michael Johnson, Eric Martin and Eduardo Najera.