Can we control Plum to get to OKC?

BYU and Gonzaga are about the same, and we have handled BYU pretty well for the past two years. This is the third time we have played Washington in three years, winning the previous two, the last at Seattle. I don't appreciate the #6 seeding. But, we have shown that we can beat Washington.
 
soonerstar said:
Must beat Gonzaga first.
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Everything will be a challenge for this team.

What happened to us fits exactly with what Charlie Crème said about the committee. He indicated they appeared to say the regular season played at best a minor role, with other things (he seemed confused about what they could have been thinking) being what the committee looked at instead. He gave several examples - and clearly thought it was unwise and unfair. Actually suggested the committee was wrong to do that.

The question becomes: Why even ask the players to play a regular season?

We were seeded the same as the teams we finished far above in the 18 game conference standings - with everyone playing each other home & away.

At the same time, we brought much of our drop to our late play and can blame no one but ourselves. We played really lousy the last 2 weeks.

Now you just take your seed and do all you can to advance.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
Everything will be a challenge for this team.

What happened to us fits exactly with what Charlie Crème said about the committee. He indicated they appeared to say the regular season played at best a minor role, with other things (he seemed confused about what they could have been thinking) being what the committee looked at instead. He gave several examples - and clearly thought it was unwise and unfair. Actually suggested the committee was wrong to do that.

The question becomes: Why even ask the players to play a regular season?

We were seeded the same as the teams we finished far above in the 18 game conference standings - with everyone playing each other home & away.

At the same time, we brought much of our drop to our late play and can blame no one but ourselves. We played really lousy the last 2 weeks.

Now you just take your seed and do all you can to advance.
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Considering how we played the last few games, we have nothing to complain about. But, what could the committee possibly be looking at other than the regular season and the post-season tournaments? Did WVU benefit from winning the tournament?
 
MsProudSooner said:
Considering how we played the last few games, we have nothing to complain about. But, what could the committee possibly be looking at other than the regular season and the post-season tournaments? Did WVU benefit from winning the tournament?
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I feel much like you about the way we ended the last 3 games. However, Crème is saying it is absurd to ignore 2-3 months of competition and just look at the last 2 or 3 games.

Consider: WVU finished with a losing record in conference play: 8 - 10, and 6th in the conference. We were 3rd with a record of 13-5. Five (5) full games ahead of WVU. That is a huge difference. Would anyone on here consider us the same quality team if we had won only 8 conference games and finished 6th? No. We would be terribly frustrated - consider we are even with the 3rd place finish. And I guarantee you we would not be a 6 seed (like we are now).

Yet the committee placed them above us - indicated by them playing pretty close to home - while we also as a 6 seed are traveling farther than everyone in the conference except ISU who is just a 9 seed.

Even K State was treated better than we were with a home court advantage as a 7th seed. Recall we finished 2 games ahead of KSU. True they were fortunate to be seeded with Stanford to get that home seed. yet the committee indicated they saw little difference between us and KSU, even with a substantial difference in the conference results.

Your question is the same one Crème is asking: What in the world are they looking at, since their own criterion places "body of work" (aka season long results) as the prime criteria. Clearly they violated their own rules in order to award some teams and damage others.

The point is not that it can be fixed. Creme's point is that it damages WBB by making up secret criteria in order to play agendas of some secret sort.

Our team is just going to have to buckle up and play as far from home as the committee could send us. The reward being if we win 2 games we get back very close to home. Let's do it girls!

And commit to not let this happen again by playing lousy the last 2-3 games of the season in future years.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
I feel much like you about the way we ended the last 3 games. However, Crème is saying it is absurd to ignore 2-3 months of competition and just look at the last 2 or 3 games.

Consider: WVU finished with a losing record in conference play: 8 - 10, and 6th in the conference. We were 3rd with a record of 13-5. Five (5) full games ahead of WVU. That is a huge difference. Would anyone on here consider us the same quality team if we had won only 8 conference games and finished 6th? No. We would be terribly frustrated - consider we are even with the 3rd place finish. And I guarantee you we would not be a 6 seed (like we are now).

Yet the committee placed them above us - indicated by them playing pretty close to home - while we also as a 6 seed are traveling farther than everyone in the conference except ISU who is just a 9 seed.

Even K State was treated better than we were with a home court advantage as a 7th seed. Recall we finished 2 games ahead of KSU. True they were fortunate to be seeded with Stanford to get that home seed. yet the committee indicated they saw little difference between us and KSU, even with a substantial difference in the conference results.

Your question is the same one Crème is asking: What in the world are they looking at, since their own criterion places "body of work" (aka season long results) as the prime criteria. Clearly they violated their own rules in order to award some teams and damage others.

The point is not that it can be fixed. Creme's point is that it damages WBB by making up secret criteria in order to play agendas of some secret sort.

Our team is just going to have to buckle up and play as far from home as the committee could send us. The reward being if we win 2 games we get back very close to home. Let's do it girls!

And commit to not let this happen again by playing lousy the last 2-3 games of the season in future years.
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It seems when there is a regional in OKC, if we are put in that regional we always get sent rather far away and in a subregion that will be difficult to get out of. We are going to Seattle and are playing a local team in the first game and possibly a local team in the second game. I haven't followed other teams closely enough to know if this is SOP.

If there are criteria that the committee takes into consideration the teams need to know what it is so they can plan accordingly.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
I feel much like you about the way we ended the last 3 games. However, Crème is saying it is absurd to ignore 2-3 months of competition and just look at the last 2 or 3 games.

Consider: WVU finished with a losing record in conference play: 8 - 10, and 6th in the conference. We were 3rd with a record of 13-5. Five (5) full games ahead of WVU. That is a huge difference. Would anyone on here consider us the same quality team if we had won only 8 conference games and finished 6th? No. We would be terribly frustrated - consider we are even with the 3rd place finish. And I guarantee you we would not be a 6 seed (like we are now).

Yet the committee placed them above us - indicated by them playing pretty close to home - while we also as a 6 seed are traveling farther than everyone in the conference except ISU who is just a 9 seed.

Even K State was treated better than we were with a home court advantage as a 7th seed. Recall we finished 2 games ahead of KSU. True they were fortunate to be seeded with Stanford to get that home seed. yet the committee indicated they saw little difference between us and KSU, even with a substantial difference in the conference results.

Your question is the same one Crème is asking: What in the world are they looking at, since their own criterion places "body of work" (aka season long results) as the prime criteria. Clearly they violated their own rules in order to award some teams and damage others.

The point is not that it can be fixed. Creme's point is that it damages WBB by making up secret criteria in order to play agendas of some secret sort.

Our team is just going to have to buckle up and play as far from home as the committee could send us. The reward being if we win 2 games we get back very close to home. Let's do it girls!

And commit to not let this happen again by playing lousy the last 2-3 games of the season in future years.
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Agreed! I'd love to be playing in LNC with a potential game versus Stanford as opposed to potential game with UW in Seattle! :( K-State has to be ecstatic!
 
MsProudSooner said:
We have only ourselves to be blamed for that.
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Are you saying we should have lost 2 or 3 more conference games to get a better seeding position? I don't think such a move would be reasonable - or likely to work - even if it did play out that way for both KSU - and for WVU.

It is clear with how it played out we would have needed to win 16 or 17 conference games, and finish 1st or 2nd to move to a 4 seed. We lost just 5 games and ended up a very low (likely last) 6 seed. One or two more wins were not going to move us up 10 or so slots in the rankings.
 
MsProudSooner said:
We have only ourselves to be blamed for that.
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Very true!

But they should have had the highest #5 seed playing at home instead of a #7 seed.

I believe the women's seeding committee has gone off the deep end in the name of increasing attendance/ratings/whatever they are trying to do!

MD at 30-2, playing in B1G, only a 3 seed? It's not like they were in Mo Valley or something. :(
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
Our team is just going to have to buckle up and play as far from home as the committee could send us. The reward being if we win 2 games we get back very close to home. Let's do it girls!
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Should we get the two wins in Seattle and play #2 seed MSU in the first game in OKC we could be catching them at just the right time. The bulldogs have lost 3 of their 4 season losses in their last 5 games. The lost to Kentucky in Lexington 75-78 and Tennessee in Starksville 64-82 to close the regular season. They then lost to South Carolina at the SEC tournament finals 49-59.

Of course if we were to get that far we would have to concern ourselves with the MSU defense as their head coach Vic Schaefer was the "Secretary of Defense" for Gary Blair at Arkansas and the aTm that always frustrated Sherri when aTm was in the Big 12.

Also should it shake out which appears likely a Baylor regional finals game against MSU should be a great defensive ballgame.


http://hailstate.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball
 
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Doesn't this happen every year in WBB? It's more about filling the seats then seeding accurately.
 
Getting back to the original thread, I don't worry about Plum, in our two wins against the Huskies she got her points. Limit and guard her best we can, and really worry about the supporting cast. Hit the boards and out rebound them, then make sure you make your shots and opportunities. Defense will be the key. Of course lets get by Gonzaga first, then worry about Plum.
 
Gonzaga is all OU needs to worry about, I have no idea if OU wins or gets beat by 10-20pts. The team is quite capable of doing both.
 
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Sweetest OU Girl said:
Are you saying we should have lost 2 or 3 more conference games to get a better seeding position? I don't think such a move would be reasonable - or likely to work - even if it did play out that way for both KSU - and for WVU.

It is clear with how it played out we would have needed to win 16 or 17 conference games, and finish 1st or 2nd to move to a 4 seed. We lost just 5 games and ended up a very low (likely last) 6 seed. One or two more wins were not going to move us up 10 or so slots in the rankings.
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No, I'm just saying if we had finished as we should have and gotten a lousy seed, then we would have grounds to complain.
 
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