Capel: "I just didn't get enough time"

[OUhoops11]

I'm going to avoid face-palming, OUhoops11, but I'll admit here that, for all the value I find in your posts -- and there's a good deal -- I often find them needlessly contentious and confrontational. There's no need to call out or insult posters you disagree with; simply state your counter-argument and let the wisdom of your post stand as sufficient.

I realize the irony here -- that I'm, in effect, calling you out -- but I'm only doing so because of your suggestion that BOB's posts are somehow not appreciated and considered worthy, while your own are. There's an arrogance in that stance that's risky, at best. It's a rare poster indeed (and I'm certain that I'm not one of them) who doesn't annoy, confound and even anger a certain percentage of the other posters on a board like this one. BOB's hardly alone in that.

So consider this, if you will, a face-palm in prose.

I appreciate your response. You're right, I am overly confrontational with a certain faction of posters/"fans" (I use that term loosely), those who love to bash and criticize after losses but never returned after wins. And then, after a month after we get rid of a coach, those posters still feel the need to relentlessly pile on and refuse to acknowledge the good things he did while at OU. Sorry, but I have no respect for those types of individuals, and therefore, am certainly contentious with them, for better or worse.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I appreciate your response. You're right, I am overly confrontational with a certain faction of posters/"fans" (I use that term loosely), those who love to bash and criticize after losses but never returned after wins. And then, after a month after we get rid of a coach, those posters still feel the need to relentlessly pile on and refuse to acknowledge the good things he did while at OU. Sorry, but I have no respect for those types of individuals, and therefore, am certainly contentious with them, for better or worse.

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[Max Power]

The only difference is, after I post, there's not 5 other posters face palming. Can't say the same for you.

:facepalm

 

[Max Power]

Enough time for what? His last two years were the worst in our history. Is there another level for screwing up a program? Sorry, but I'm not buying that excuse.

On the personal side, however, I wish Coach Capel nothing but the best. I still believe that he is a good guy who was simply in over his head at OU. Hopefully, he'll learn from the experience and be better for it.

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[Big Old Booger]

I appreciate your response. You're right, I am overly confrontational with a certain faction of posters/"fans" (I use that term loosely), those who love to bash and criticize after losses but never returned after wins. And then, after a month after we get rid of a coach, those posters still feel the need to relentlessly pile on and refuse to acknowledge the good things he did while at OU. Sorry, but I have no respect for those types of individuals, and therefore, am certainly contentious with them, for better or worse.

I'm not going to argue with you because I understand your frustration, but you are not accurate when you claim I wasn't around when the sooners won basketball games. I started posting on this board 3 or 4 years ago and every year during football season I took a hiatus from this board to discuss football on other message boards. Every year I came back to this board in November/December and posted about basketball. This past year was no different as I started posting about the same time as the team played in Maui. I then continued to post almost daily thru the hiring of Lon Kruger in April or late March. Since that time I have visited the board daily to read the hot topics but don't post every day unless something catches my eye.

So, I was here posting before, during, and after both wins and losses. This is the 2nd time you have posted this accusation about me and it's simply not accurate. If you want, I am ok with Sam or another admin querying the database by day since November to show the days I posted and even the number of posts I made each day. I have nothing to hide.

 

[Soonerman]

I appreciate your response. You're right, I am overly confrontational with a certain faction of posters/"fans" (I use that term loosely), those who love to bash and criticize after losses but never returned after wins. And then, after a month after we get rid of a coach, those posters still feel the need to relentlessly pile on and refuse to acknowledge the good things he did while at OU. Sorry, but I have no respect for those types of individuals, and therefore, am certainly contentious with them, for better or worse.

Well said. :clap

 

[WaymanFan]

I appreciate your response. You're right, I am overly confrontational with a certain faction of posters/"fans" (I use that term loosely), those who love to bash and criticize after losses but never returned after wins. And then, after a month after we get rid of a coach, those posters still feel the need to relentlessly pile on and refuse to acknowledge the good things he did while at OU. Sorry, but I have no respect for those types of individuals, and therefore, am certainly contentious with them, for better or worse.

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[OUBig12Champs]

Coach Capel will always be part of the Sooner Family, like him or not. I think it is time for not only us to move on but Coach Capel as well. I have no ill will towards him and only wish him and his family the best! In reference to time, how much is or isn't enough? If things are going well then time is on your side, if things are going bad then time is not on your side. I think that applies to everyday life?

Let's be gracious in these times and let's move forward. JMTCW!

 

[garyeb2]

How does one apply for the job of message board cop. Or is it a self-appointed position?

 

[WTSooner]

Coach Capel will always be part of the Sooner Family, like him or not.

But it's okay to dog John Blake, Schnelly, Bliss, and several other small sport coaches?

It's a message board. Designed for people to voice their opinions. As long as it's done somewhat respectively, that includes voicing displeasure over coaches.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

But it's okay to dog John Blake, Schnelly, Bliss, and several other small sport coaches?

It's a message board. Designed for people to voice their opinions. As long as it's done somewhat respectively, that includes voicing displeasure over coaches.

Please show me where Jeff Capel:

A) went out of his way to deliberately sabotage the program

B) thought he was bigger than said program, & also showed up for work sloshed just as much as he didn't do so

C) tried to lie his way out of his problems by setting a recently murdered player up to look like a drug dealer

& I'll buy those comparisions. I'll plead the the 5th on the small sport coaches you're referencing because I don't know who you're talking about.

As for me, the Capel era was the very definition of the round peg/square hole reference that is used in every day life by all of us at some time or other. It doesn't speak any less of the round peg itself; it just doesn't fit a square hole.

 

[WaymanFan]

It's a message board. Designed for people to voice their opinions. As long as it's done somewhat respectively, that includes voicing displeasure over coaches.

I think the "respectfully" part is where the problem lies. Even though I disagree to some extent, I completely respect the opinions of Jeff Capel being a lousy coach, lousy recruiter, etc. I actually agree that he had enough time...again, trying to be open-minded about things.

Where I draw the line is when the nonsensical opinions start flowing which are really nothing more than pure venom. I've read utterly ridiculous comparisons to John Blake. I've read garbage about Jeff being the worst OU men's hoops coach of all time. Crap like this seems to go a bit beyond a "message board opinion." Sorry, just not a big fan of venom and bitterness.

 

[buttermaker1]

What did he not get enough time to do?

Completely put the OU basketball program in the grave?
Continue to recruit and sign D-2 prospects (or should I say give them a chance)?
Put the entire OU athletic department under probation?

Just what did he not have enough time to do? Curious minds want to know.

Well said. Capel is out of touch. He burned this program to the ground. He should give back money.

 

[scrybe]

I think the "respectfully" part is where the problem lies. Even though I disagree to some extent, I completely respect the opinions of Jeff Capel being a lousy coach, lousy recruiter, etc. I actually agree that he had enough time...again, trying to be open-minded about things.

Where I draw the line is when the nonsensical opinions start flowing which are really nothing more than pure venom. I've read utterly ridiculous comparisons to John Blake. I've read garbage about Jeff being the worst OU men's hoops coach of all time. Crap like this seems to go a bit beyond a "message board opinion." Sorry, just not a big fan of venom and bitterness.

The posters who can't (or won't) agree with your post are, IMHO, too young to understand the value of a benevolent and forgiving attitude, or they are simply unhappy, cynical and mean-spirited by nature.

 

[okcsooner83]

I know from people that work in the coaches offices that Capel rarely showed up before 10 am and that Kruger is the opposite.

 

[DenverSooner]

I think the "respectfully" part is where the problem lies. Even though I disagree to some extent, I completely respect the opinions of Jeff Capel being a lousy coach, lousy recruiter, etc. I actually agree that he had enough time...again, trying to be open-minded about things.

Where I draw the line is when the nonsensical opinions start flowing which are really nothing more than pure venom. I've read utterly ridiculous comparisons to John Blake. I've read garbage about Jeff being the worst OU men's hoops coach of all time. Crap like this seems to go a bit beyond a "message board opinion." Sorry, just not a big fan of venom and bitterness.

It is not ridiculous to suggest Capel did the worst job ever at OU. There are some guys that deserve to be in consideration with Capel but he is definitely in the running for worst OU men's bball coach in history. The reason is in the running is he had so much more to start with than the others. The reason he is not the worst ever is that his record is not the worst ever. Reasonable minds could differ on this point.

 

[jerry]

It is not ridiculous to suggest Capel did the worst job ever at OU. There are some guys that deserve to be in consideration with Capel but he is definitely in the running for worst OU men's bball coach in history. The reason is in the running is he had so much more to start with than the others. The reason he is not the worst ever is that his record is not the worst ever. Reasonable minds could differ on this point.

Agree Denver. I have been following OU basketball since the early 70's and I can't think of anyone worst.

 

[OUhoops11]

Well said. Capel is out of touch. He burned this program to the ground. He should give back money.

I always laugh at crap like this. Let me guess buttermaker, when you have a poor day at work, you always give money back to your employer, right? Even if you tried your hardest?

 

[OUhoops11]

I know from people that work in the coaches offices that Capel rarely showed up before 10 am and that Kruger is the opposite.

I always heard the same thing about Dana Holgerson. I don't think it's really a big deal if you're working until midnight or later. Some people just prefer to work at different times. Maybe to old school people getting to work by 7am is a big deal. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that, every person is different

 

[Max Power]

I always heard the same thing about Dana Holgerson. I don't think it's really a big deal if you're working until midnight or later. Some people just prefer to work at different times. Maybe to old school people getting to work by 7am is a big deal. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that, every person is different

And Dana got out Coached by Brent Venables in the Bedlam game.