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Capel: "I just didn't get enough time"
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WTSooners wrote to my first post:
"But it's okay to dog John Blake, Schnelly, Bliss, and several other small sport coaches?
It's a message board. Designed for people to voice their opinions. As long as it's done somewhat respectively, that includes voicing displeasure over coaches."
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Snelly, he does not count in my book, so I guess I am a hypocrite then. That Ding Dong stayed at The Econo Lodge and left before sunrise! But Blake and Bliss, they too will also always be part of the Sooner Family. In addition, I never expressed ill will towards those posting an opinion. Yes this is an opinion board, I get it. I just think we should close this chapter on OU Hoops. Heck I have not read the John Blake Diaries in many, many years!!!
"But it's okay to dog John Blake, Schnelly, Bliss, and several other small sport coaches?
It's a message board. Designed for people to voice their opinions. As long as it's done somewhat respectively, that includes voicing displeasure over coaches."
My follow up:
Snelly, he does not count in my book, so I guess I am a hypocrite then. That Ding Dong stayed at The Econo Lodge and left before sunrise! But Blake and Bliss, they too will also always be part of the Sooner Family. In addition, I never expressed ill will towards those posting an opinion. Yes this is an opinion board, I get it. I just think we should close this chapter on OU Hoops. Heck I have not read the John Blake Diaries in many, many years!!!
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Just to clarify, Dave Bliss was a better than decent coach when he was at OU. He won a conference championship and a conference tournament championship and he advanced the sooners to the sweet 16.
So, regardless of what he did at Baylor, he doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Capel, Blake, and Schnelly and whoever else is mentioned as far as OU sports are concerned.
If you want to rip him for what he did at Baylor, then have at it. He deserves it.
Just my .02 cents...
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Sampson had it rougher with a certain faction of fans, both while he was here and in the years since his departure, than Capel's ever had it. We're five years down that road, and there are still those who are getting their digs in at him.
I would say it'd be wise for those who wish we, as a group, would move on to stop posting links to Capel interviews and profiles. As long as the wounds are still fresh (and they are) and his name keeps coming up via those sorts of links, there'll be those who will offer their negative opinions about his tenure at OU.
It's probably unreasonable to ask one faction to hold their tongues while Capel continues to get mentioned here on a regular basis. Stop bringing him up, and they'll stop carping on him, I would guess.
I would say it'd be wise for those who wish we, as a group, would move on to stop posting links to Capel interviews and profiles. As long as the wounds are still fresh (and they are) and his name keeps coming up via those sorts of links, there'll be those who will offer their negative opinions about his tenure at OU.
It's probably unreasonable to ask one faction to hold their tongues while Capel continues to get mentioned here on a regular basis. Stop bringing him up, and they'll stop carping on him, I would guess.
Well, obviously no one deserves to get lumped with Blake or Schnelly. However, Bliss, MacLeod and Capel is a fair comparison. Bliss did get us to the Sweet 16 in 1979, but he seemingly stopped working after that. Billy Tubbs inherited ONE young player (Chucky Barnett) and ONE veteran (Raymond Whitley) who could help the program, meaning he pretty much had to start from scratch.
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so in the biggest game he ever had he got out coached. That would be an indictment on not spending enough time preparing.
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379 yds in total offense and 41 pts as an O coordinator. Every coordinator in th country would take that against OU. Dont think he got outcoached.
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One of those was a kick return and landry threw 3 picks, that defense and special teams, not offense
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:facepalm
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So now a pick 6, a field goal off a pick, and a kick return for a touchdown are offensive score? Not to mention another touchdown after a pick. So you take out landry giving them 17 and special teams giving them 7 then thats 17 points from the offense :facepalm
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If you think he got "outcoached" you dont know much about football. Thats what I was getting at. Get back to your basketball talk, you are better at that.
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i must have missed the adjustments made to overcome the 50 defense we ran
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R we just doing the who gets the last word deal and they "win" the MB argument. Fine you win...Can we go back to basketball??
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I disagree. He only coached 1 more season after the sweet 16 and they still had a winning record overall but a losing conference road (6-8). Included in that was 2 1 point losses on the road (cu and nu) both of which we hit shots at the buzzer and the big 8 refs said neither counted. Both were horrible calls.
I will agree he checked out during that season so he quit recruiting. He didn't like the small town feel of Norman back then. He later said he regretted ever leaving.
The biggest logical fallacy in your argument is you're assuming that because he did not get to the office before 10am, he did not spend enough time preparing. The second biggest logical fallacy in your argument is that because OSU lost, he got outcoached. The third biggest logical fallacy in your argument is that had he spent more time preparing, OSU would have performed better offensively.
Either way, it's a terribly weak argument about a football coach on a basketball board that really has no relevance other than the fact that even if Capel did not get to teh office early has absolutely no relationship to how hard he worked.
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When the TV announcers laugh at how poorly your Team was coached i don't think ten more years would help you Jeff.
A winning record? OU was favored to win the conference, and they finished 15-12. They lost a terrific player in John McCullough, but were still loaded with guys like Terry Stotts, Al Beal, Aaron Curry and Raymond Whitley. If it wasn't for the 2010 team, the 1980 team would be the hands down winner of the most underachieving OU team in the past 35 years. Bottom line. Bliss checked out early and didn't leave Billy Tubbs with much talent.
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I've never heard this. This would be something that would really bother me.
I suspect this is NOT something that was a Kelvin problem. I'd bet Kelvin was there rather early.
It's not an "old school" thing, it's a "syncing your world with others" thing. When most of the world is there at the regular times then it's almost haughty to stroll in past 10 a.m. .
This is the thread that won't die. I've been on the Capel bashing side of the fence. He didn't get the job done is what got it started. He won't take any responsibility for not getting the job done is what is keeping it going. He didn't do it on purpose. He seems like a nice enough guy with lot's of potential. And everything he did wasn't all bad. Osby or Clark or mayby even Grooms could work out well enough to blunt the perception of how badly he recruited. Mayby Kruger magically gets to 20 wins and the fan support picks up next season. If those kind of things happen, then Capel will be off the hook. But, even though he is gone. For now, all that is left is the mess he left on one hand and high hopes for the new guy on the other. When the gap between those two points narrow, the Caplel bashing will probably slow down.
