Could OU get Doc Sadler?

[thebigabd]

There has been some talk on this forum about Doc Sadler, which I think would be a fantastic move for OU. He would bring OU basketball back pretty quick, and those who liked Kelvin Ball (which includes winning) would be happy right away.

But, could OU get him? If Joe C is thinking coaching change, is Doc a realistic possibility? Would he leave for OU?

His team is in 5th place, has home games against KSU and Missouri coming up to clinch an NCAA Tournament spot, just beat the #2 team in the country, and has most of his team coming back next year in the Big 10. They are also building a brand new arena and facilities for him.

I think if OU really wanted him, they could get him.

 

[OkieTC]

Really? Do you really think Capel won't get another year?? This team is much better than last years team...and not near as talented. Capel obviously gets one more year to see what he can do.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Why would OU want to bring in another mid major coach with a boring style?

 

[Sooner79]

I hope not!

 

[StoopsBros]

Served under Eddie Sutton = pass.

On a serious note, I think he's close to 50 so he's probably a little on the old side.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Served under Eddie Sutton = pass.

On a serious note, I think he's close to 50 so he's probably a little on the old side.

He's mediocre. But of cousre striving for mediocrisy seems to be a goal by some. OU needs to get someone who can really recruit and recruit Texas.

 

[colston15]

:ez-roll:

 

[soonerbms]

I'm going to go ahead and throw Steve Lavin's name out there. He was unfairly fired at UCLA and it's taken him less than a year to turn St. John's around. He might be reluctant to leave the fertile recruiting ground that is NYC, but I bet we could pay way more than St. John's ever could.

 

[soonerbms]

He's mediocre. But of cousre striving for mediocrisy seems to be a goal by some. OU needs to get someone who can really recruit and recruit Texas.

Isn't there a former UTEP and Texas A&M coach who did really well at both schools?

 

[StoopsBros]

He's mediocre. But of cousre striving for mediocrisy seems to be a goal by some. OU needs to get someone who can really recruit and recruit Texas.

Are you a BCG guy?

I don't think recruiting Texas has to be the requirement...

Blake Griffin - Oklahoma
Taylor Griffin - Oklahoma
Wayman Tisdale - Oklahoma
Stacy King - Oklahoma
Kevin Bookout - Oklahoma
Ryan Minor - Oklahoma
Cade Davis - Oklahoma
Terry Evans - Oklahoma
Tony Crocker - Texas (born in Lawton, OK though)
Hollis Price - Louisiana
Andrew Fitzgerald - Maryland
Jeff Webster - Arkansas
Aaron McGhee - Illinois
Etc, etc.

I could keep going but the point is, OU basketball isn't like OU football where you have to recruit Texas above all else. The way HS basketball/AAU is these days, kids are just going all over the place. Hell even Texas' best player this decade isn't even from Texas.

If I threw a requirement out there it would be....Identify the best Okie each year and try to get him on the team if he's OU good. If Spangler can play at Gonzaga, he can give the Sooners 10 minutes a game. Raney, Richardson, etc, etc.

 

[thebigabd]

Served under Eddie Sutton = pass.

On a serious note, I think he's close to 50 so he's probably a little on the old side.

Ya, coaches close to 50 always suck.. Bill Self, Mike Anderson, Coach K, Rick Barnes, Rick Pitino, etc. Who wants old guys? Lets hire inexperienced people. Thats always the smart way to go.

Why would OU want to bring in another mid major coach with a boring style?

Boring style? His teams were good on offense at UTEP (because he had good offensive players), and he looks like a Kelvin team at Nebraska.

He's mediocre. But of cousre striving for mediocrisy seems to be a goal by some. OU needs to get someone who can really recruit and recruit Texas.

Doc Sadler has spent his entire career in Big 12 country. He was at Arkansas with Eddie Sutton, at UTEP with Billy Gillespie and then as head coach there, juco coach in Arkansas, was an assistant at Houston, Lamar, and Texas Tech.

He has spent a lot of time in this part of the country and in Texas, both as an assistant and head coach.

 

[StoopsBros]

Ya, coaches close to 50 always suck.. Bill Self, Mike Anderson, Coach K, Rick Barnes, Rick Pitino, etc. Who wants old guys? Lets hire inexperienced people. Thats always the smart way to go.

I should have clarified. I don't think he's old IMO, but an AD may view him as too old to revitalize a program. Let's face it, OU is on the brink of being a job that needs major rebuilding. If Capel is given another year, it could be even worse.

 

[skyvue]

I'm going to go ahead and throw Steve Lavin's name out there. He was unfairly fired at UCLA and it's taken him less than a year to turn St. John's around. He might be reluctant to leave the fertile recruiting ground that is NYC, but I bet we could pay way more than St. John's ever could.

Don't be so sure. I don't know exactly what Lavin's making, but here's a paragraph from a New York Post story published shortly before Lavin was hired last season.

The contract shouldn't be a problem. St. John's was willing to put together a six-year-deal worth about $1.6-$1.8 million per year, sources told The Post. Lavin was looking for about the same money, but was amenable to a slightly lower figure if it meant being able to hire a "dream team," coaching staff, sources said.​

And I suspect St. John's would be willing to pony up more dough now, with the success they're having.

 

[Tony]

Have you guys seen the recruiting class Steve Lavin has coming in next year? He's not leaving there.

 

[StoopsBros]

Chris Mack - Xavier.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Are you a BCG guy?

I don't think recruiting Texas has to be the requirement...

Blake Griffin - Oklahoma
Taylor Griffin - Oklahoma
Wayman Tisdale - Oklahoma
Stacy King - Oklahoma
Kevin Bookout - Oklahoma
Ryan Minor - Oklahoma
Cade Davis - Oklahoma
Terry Evans - Oklahoma
Tony Crocker - Texas (born in Lawton, OK though)
Hollis Price - Louisiana
Andrew Fitzgerald - Maryland
Jeff Webster - Carl Albert
Aaron McGhee - Illinois
Etc, etc.

I could keep going but the point is, OU basketball isn't like OU football where you have to recruit Texas above all else. The way HS basketball/AAU is these days, kids are just going all over the place. Hell even Texas' best player this decade isn't even from Texas.

If I threw a requirement out there it would be....Identify the best Okie each year and try to get him on the team if he's OU good. If Spangler can play at Gonzaga, he can give the Sooners 10 minutes a game. Raney, Richardson, etc, etc.

I agree with you about Oklahoma and keeping those Ok kids. Some OK kids we aren't going to get. But the ones that are good enough and we can get, we should go get. OU's problem now is there is no recruiting base. There's not one place where OU has established anything good with AAU or High School coaches. Doc Sadler aint the answer and to be honest, his resume isn't better than Capel's. At the end of the day, when you look at Capel, his problem hasn't been coaching as much as it's been recruiting and management. When you look at BCG's success, it's been due to regional recruiting. He's a different guy because he can go to high schools in Texas and OK and be successful. If we were to get BCG, we'd get Keith Frazier and Julius Randle with no issues. BCG's problem is his personal demons.

 

[skyvue]

when you look at Capel, his problem hasn't been coaching as much as it's been recruiting and management.

I don't know that i agree. I think the problem may well have been all three. I don't have confidence yet that Capel's a great young coach -- in-game or between games. I think the jury's still out on that question, and that's not a good thing for any coach after five years at the helm.

 

[StoopsBros]

Hypothetical...

Could Capel coach the KU team to where they are now? How about Texas? Xavier? Nebraska? etc, etc.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Rumor has it that Phil Jackson is done in LA after this year. Let's pony up some money and bring em in!!!!!!:ez-laugh::ez-laugh::ez-laugh:

 

[Romulus]

I agree with you about Oklahoma and keeping those Ok kids. Some OK kids we aren't going to get. But the ones that are good enough and we can get, we should go get. OU's problem now is there is no recruiting base. There's not one place where OU has established anything good with AAU or High School coaches. Doc Sadler aint the answer and to be honest, his resume isn't better than Capel's. At the end of the day, when you look at Capel, his problem hasn't been coaching as much as it's been recruiting and management. When you look at BCG's success, it's been due to regional recruiting. He's a different guy because he can go to high schools in Texas and OK and be successful. If we were to get BCG, we'd get Keith Frazier and Julius Randle with no issues. BCG's problem is his personal demons.

Please go on about Frazier and Randle at OU