Darrell Williams charged with rape

I've learned one thing from the Duke LAX Team and thats he's innocent until they prove him guilty in a court.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
I'm 100% in disagreement with the notion that any random accusation - without formal charges being filed by the D.A. - warrants suspension.
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It's Ford's duty to invetigate the accusations, beyond just asking, "Darrell, did you do this?"

Find out if there might be some validity to the accusation. That way, he isn't caught with his pants down (Some pun intended) like he seems to have been here.
 
trueou said:
No, that is not what I am saying.

If you recall, last year Drew and Bird were given a ticket for attempted shoplifting at Dillard's in Norman after we had beaten Texas in Norman. There was great division among this board about what Capel's actions should have been. He suspended them indefinitely and it ended up being a one game suspension. He let them play after that one game because Willie got sick and Tiny couldn't play either. Not many OU Hoops posters were happy with that result. But the guys have been model citizens since.

Contrast that to Ford playing a guy until the authorities hauled him away. Ford was presented with an ethical and moral choice last week. In my opinion, he failed to make the right choice. He chose winning over upholding basic standards of decency.

Another interesting question is if OSU had lost on Saturday would he have looked to be an even bigger fool? Or would any one have really cared?
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I'm sorry, i wasnt calling you out or anything...i just browsed a portion of your post and saw something about them knowing he would be charged on Friday then the court date set for today and my first thoughts were obviously "how convenient"...

But i would really hope none of this legal stuff was set up around the basketball team and i'm sure it wasnt...just a thought from a Sooner fan that needs to whine a little about his dominating us during the game...
 
you people read this story and you branded him guilty. period.

doing anything that diminishes his playing is tantamount to punishing him without even so much as a trial.

you wanna talk about something the founders fought against....this is it. what happened to all that "Constitutionalism" and "back to fundamentals" talk???
 
PokeJ said:
Voice of reason. If he's guilty, hang him from the highest tree, but we need to give him a chance to defend himself.
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I agree. But does that include playing basketball? I don't think it does.
 
coolm said:
doing anything that diminishes his playing is tantamount to punishing him without even so much as a trial.

you wanna talk about something the founders fought against....this is it. what happened to all that "Constitutionalism" and "back to fundamentals" talk???
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It's a personal conduct issue relating to the team. How the constitution comes into play is beyond me.
 
Almost all the universities I can recall will suspend a player only after charges are filed, usually there is clause within the student-athlete contract. Really think everyone should see how the University of Washington men's basketball investigation is playing out, pretty much the same scenario.

Accusations alone or not enough for a suspension IMO, zero merit. Once charges are filed is when you pull him off the team until the legal system runs its course.

And please, don't compare this to the Fitz and Pledger shoplifting incident last year...those players were both cited on the spot.
 
Not to argue with coolm (he being an attorney, and all), but I would think there's a hell of a big difference in being accused by some as-yet unnamed girl and being formally charged by the Payne County DA.

Of course the kid's innocent until proven guilty, but I would think most coaches would bench any player who's formally charged with a felony crime as serious as rape/sexual assault, at least until the matter is resolved.
 
1. No it's not a personal conduct issue...it's not ANY issue because he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

2. don't be myopic and think that the consquences/advantages of playing any sport is just limited to the pure exhiliration of playing. there are careers, scholarships and a litany of other things at stake.

it's hard to answer when we're not even arguing at the same level. This argument has been fought before concerning little league teams, Jr high and HS teams, and college teams - I have just only been in District Court over it on the first two levels. The issue of being enjoined is always a potential remedy for the potentially aggrieved.

Oh...and just because a DA files charges doesn't mean it is anything more than an allegation/accusation. The threshold b/w filing and not filing may be nothing more than time or someone being on vacation. It's not some "mystical" piece of paper.
 
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colston15 said:
It's a personal conduct issue relating to the team. How the constitution comes into play is beyond me.
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I understand what you're getting at, but this is a very gray area. There are many personal conduct issues, first come to mind is marijuana use. Although this probably very very minor in many opinions, it is still illegal and violates personal conduct clauses the university demands.

If you think that Kelvin Sampson or members of his staff didn't know Relly Rell and Jabhari Brown were two of the biggest smokers on campus...then you're crazy. This is why almost all universities wait until charges are filed, there have to be legitimate claims which the legal system is going to pursue.
 
HoHum said:
http://newsok.com/osu-basketball-player-darrell-williams-pleads-not-guilty-to-rape-charges-suspended-from-team/article/3538852#ixzz1DJSnaRCp

Williams suspended, pleads not guilty.
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I hope he is not guilty...never want to see a guy have to spend time in prison...

Having had a family member go through this after being falsly accused as a Division 1 football player on a prominent team helps me to empathize with him...hopefully he will have a good lawyer if he is indeed not guilty...
 
coolm said:
1. No it's not a personal conduct issue...it's not ANY issue because he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

2. don't be myopic and think that the consquences/advantages of playing any sport is just limited to the pure exhiliration of playing. there are careers, scholarships and a litany of other things at stake.

it's hard to answer when we're not even arguing at the same level. This argument has been fought before concerning little league teams, Jr high and HS teams, and college teams - I have just only been in District Court over it on the first two levels. The issue of being enjoined is always a potential remedy for the potentially aggrieved.
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An indefinite suspension does not take away his scholarship, nor is it an admission of guilt. It's a precautionary measure for the school which he represents. He doesn't play for Darrell Williams State University.
 
coolm said:
Oh...and just because a DA files charges doesn't mean it is anything more than an allegation/accusation. The threshold b/w filing and not filing may be nothing more than time or someone being on vacation. It's not some "mystical" piece of paper.
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No. A DA will file charges only after he/she has carefully weighed evidence gathered in a police investigation. No DA in his/her right mind would file charges when there's NO evidence that a crime has been committed.
 
The problem you get with personal conduct is sometimes coach's and even schools will let it slide. Look at Baylor and Dunn. My sister went to Baylor and had to sign a personal conduct clause that she would be kicked out of school for certain activities. Dunn was charged, although charges later dropped by hsi girlfriend for one of these activities and he is still in school and playing basketball. Smapson, Sutton, Capel and Ford may have all different defineitions of personal conduct is to them so different results for similar situations.
 
snydrosooner said:
The problem you get with personal conduct is sometimes coach's and even schools will let it slide. Look at Baylor and Dunn. My sister went to Baylor and had to sign a personal conduct clause that she would be kicked out of school for certain activities. Dunn was charged, although charges later dropped by hsi girlfriend for one of these activities and he is still in school and playing basketball.
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He was suspended for a period of time because he violated the policy. When the charges were dropped, away went the suspension. That's how it should work.
 
I am so glad Ford and OSU looked the other way and let a guy play that was going to be charged with several rape/sexual assault charges 2 days later.

Just shows Ford has one foot in the trailer park. A $400 suit and orange tie can't mask the horrid decision to look the other way this weekend.

Ford is such a stand up guy he hid from the conference call today. Biggest week of the year so far they beat ranked MU and a hot OU team and the dude is hiding.
 
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