Denzel Valentine is The AP Player of the Year

[WTSooner]

This. And it really doesn't matter that the MSU and AP apologists think otherwise.

It does matter. Valentine has an award b/c they "thought otherwise".

 

[152219]

Valentine did have a great season and I posted something last week about the tea leaves hinting that Valentine may win this by looking at the talking head's Twitter accounts that many of them were leading toward voting for Valentine.

 

[scrybe]

It does matter. Valentine has an award b/c they "thought otherwise".

Matters to you, obviously.

 

[skyvue]

It does matter. Valentine has an award b/c they "thought otherwise".

Or because there are a lot of lazy, ill-informed sports writers who can't be bothered to do even a little research. And there are more of them covering Big 10 basketball than cover the Big 12.

I hope at least a few of them are embarrassed today. They should be.

 

[152219]

Matters to you, obviously.

It certainly does.

 

[WTSooner]

Matters to you, obviously.

lol

My only argument is that at the end of the regular season, or the end of the conference postseason tournaments, when I imagine most of these votes were due in, it was a close race. Close enough that anybody getting upset either way is simply getting upset to get upset. Yes, we all think Buddy should have won. And I'm sure the MSU fans, at that time, thought Valentine should win.

If they were smart they'd wait until the NCAA Tourney was over to have folks vote, but nobody is going to give a crap about that award if it's handed out a week after the last game. It is what it is. Not sure why OU fans always feel like everybody is out to get them and our teams. It's childish.

 

[OUFtball]

I love Holly Rowe's tweet today...

"Dear AP voters, when was deadline to vote for Player of the Year? Just curious. Asking for a friend. #BuddyHield"

 

[152219]

lol

My only argument is that at the end of the regular season, or the end of the conference postseason tournaments, when I imagine most of these votes were due in, it was a close race. Close enough that anybody getting upset either way is simply getting upset to get upset. Yes, we all think Buddy should have won. And I'm sure the MSU fans, at that time, thought Valentine should win.

If they were smart they'd wait until the NCAA Tourney was over to have folks vote, but nobody is going to give a crap about that award if it's handed out a week after the last game. It is what it is. Not sure why OU fans always feel like everybody is out to get them and our teams. It's childish.

Someone said that voters were out to get OU?

 

[WTSooner]

Or because there are a lot of lazy, ill-informed sports writers who can't be bothered to do even a little research. And there are more of them covering Big 10 basketball than cover the Big 12.

I hope at least a few of them are embarrassed today. They should be.

Rich coming from a guy that admitted recently that he threw together a half-a$$ed article on his favorite team, as part of his job.

But whatevs.

 

[scrybe]

lol

My only argument is that at the end of the regular season, or the end of the conference postseason tournaments, when I imagine most of these votes were due in, it was a close race. Close enough that anybody getting upset either way is simply getting upset to get upset. Yes, we all think Buddy should have won. And I'm sure the MSU fans, at that time, thought Valentine should win.

If they were smart they'd wait until the NCAA Tourney was over to have folks vote, but nobody is going to give a crap about that award if it's handed out a week after the last game. It is what it is. Not sure why OU fans always feel like everybody is out to get them and our teams. It's childish.

Could have fooled me.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Rich coming from a guy that admitted recently that he threw together a half-a$$ed article on his favorite team, as part of his job.

But whatevs.

You jelly?

The premise seems to fit.. but the morons who get to vote put in less work then skyvues "half assed" article, which was great btw

 

[152219]

Could have fooled me.

TU was spewing multiple excuses for MSU's loss to MTSU in the tourney as well. If OU had lost in the first round now way he posts the same things. But I am glad the Tulsa alum is here to keep us honest.

 

[WTSooner]

TU was spewing multiple excuses for MSU's loss to MTSU in the tourney as well. If OU had lost in the first round now way he posts the same things. But I am glad the Tulsa alum is here to keep us honest.

1. I gave ONE reason why MSU lost.
2. Depends how OU loses. I've defended OU losses in the past, and I've called some of them bad.
3. TU alum. lol. As if my OU fandom really gets to be questioned.

 

[scrybe]

Rich coming from a guy that admitted recently that he threw together a half-a$$ed article on his favorite team, as part of his job.

But whatevs.

I see someone's still butthurt about that factual statement skyvue posted a few days ago.

 

[152219]

1. I gave ONE reason why MSU lost.
2. Depends how OU loses. I've defended OU losses in the past, and I've called some of them bad.
3. TU alum. lol. As if my OU fandom really gets to be questioned.

So if OU gives up 90 points on Saturday in a loss, you will call it one of those days?

Like I said, I am glad you are here to set everyone straight.

 

[thebigabd]

This idea that an assist should be given as much credit, when assessing a player's stats, as a made shot (or free throw) is -- with respect, abd -- laughable.

I'm not saying no credit should be given for assists, but if a PG makes an easy pass to a talented teammate behind the line and that player hits a three? Sorry, that should NOT be three points to the PG's credit. If you're going to give the PG credit for every made shot he sets up with a pass, maybe you should dock him some points for the times he makes a pass to an open player and they miss the shot.

Yes, that last is a ridiculous suggestion, but so is the idea that the assist man gets as much credit as the scorer. On rare plays, when a particularly stellar pass is made, sure, but most assists would not qualify.

That's dumb... to average nearly 8 assists per game (7.8) is pretty ridiculous. There are lots of full-time point guards who don't average that, or even close to it. It's an absurd amount of assists for someone who also gets a lot of rebounds and also scores nearly 20 points a game.

• He rebounds way better than Khadeem Lattin, OU's center, whose full time job is to defend and rebound
• He gets way more assists than OU's leading assist person
• He shoots a comparable percentage from 3 than Buddy Hield, the best 3pt shooter in the nation
• He scores nearly 20 points per game

 

[sdcloud9]

It was a close race, Valentine and Buddy were 1a and 1b.

We wanted Buddy to win it but he'd tell you he'd rather be playing Saturday.

I don't find fault with DV at all, great player.

 

[skyvue]

That's dumb... to average nearly 8 assists per game (7.8) is pretty ridiculous. There are lots of full-time point guards who don't average that, or even close to it. It's an absurd amount of assists for someone who also gets a lot of rebounds and also scores nearly 20 points a game.

• He rebounds way better than Khadeem Lattin, OU's center, whose full time job is to defend and rebound
• He gets way more assists than OU's leading assist person
• He shoots a comparable percentage from 3 than Buddy Hield, the best 3pt shooter in the nation
• He scores nearly 20 points per game

I never said 8 assists isn't good, but Buddy's role is not to get assists, and let's not pretend it is. If assists are the be-all, end-all, POY awards will only go to point guards.

What I did say was, floating the notion that the person who made the pass deserves as much credit for a made basket as the person who hit the shot is misguided at best. It's very occasionally true, on truly stellar passes, but generally, no. Just no.

 

[BigTime]

1. I gave ONE reason why MSU lost.
2. Depends how OU loses. I've defended OU losses in the past, and I've called some of them bad.
3. TU alum. lol. As if my OU fandom really gets to be questioned.

You are loyal to a fault toward Sampson. You also really shouldn't call ANYONE childish on here, SoonerfanTU. I knew you would be all over this thread before I clicked.

 

[BigTime]

So if OU gives up 90 points on Saturday in a loss, you will call it one of those days?

Like I said, I am glad you are here to set everyone straight.

It really is pointless to argue with him when he is like that. I tried for years...