ESPN: Pac-16 with OU, OSU, UT, TT being discussed

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The concept of the Pac-16 is again being actively discussed by Pac-12 officials as well as officials at Oklahoma and Texas, a source close to the situation told ESPN's Joe Schad.

The source said those schools know the opportunity to join the Pac-12 is their decision. Oklahoma State is expected to follow Oklahoma's lead and Texas Tech is a possibility as the fourth school.

The Longhorn Network is a potentially complicating factor but Pac-12 officials believe the parties could work through that.
 
North Division
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Utah
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

South Division
USC
UT
Texas Tech
California
UCLA
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State

OR.... Keep this Big 12 thing going.

North Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Oklahoma State
Louisville

South Division
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
South Florida
Central Florida
 
North Division

OR.... Keep this Big 12 thing going.

North Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Oklahoma State
Louisville

South Division
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
South Florida
Central Florida

Dude... why?

It's obvious at this point (and has been for a long time) that the Big 12 isn't going to work. South Florida and Central Florida are ridiculous suggestions. Not ever going to happen.

And FWIW, I'd expect the Pac 16 to go with an east/west split (original 8 PCC teams in the west, Colorado, Utah, the Arizona schools and the four new Big 12 schools in the east).
 
Dude... why?

It's obvious at this point (and has been for a long time) that the Big 12 isn't going to work. South Florida and Central Florida are ridiculous suggestions. Not ever going to happen.

And FWIW, I'd expect the Pac 16 to go with an east/west split (original 8 PCC teams in the west, Colorado, Utah, the Arizona schools and the four new Big 12 schools in the east).
The why for abd, is because keeping the Big 12 together is a contrarian viewpoint to mainstream ideas and sure to spark a debate. He'll claim that he likes the old traditions, the branding or whatever, but for most people all that went out the window when Nebraska bolted last year.

For more proof of the "why for abd" look at the second half of your post. You point out what the near consensus is for the PAC 16 Divisons; a West/East spilt.

Abd provided an example of different divisons that are plausible, but aren't likely to happen. If Texas does come along then I do not see anyway they spilt up the OU-UT power duo. Im sure some logic beside the obvious regional factors is hoping Oregon-USC is the power duo for the other division so each division has two flagship programs.

Abd is simply a guy who likes to stand out amongst the crowd and he does that by forming a different opinion than the norm. Which is noble because many people dojust wish to be like everybody else but Abd is always willing to stick to his guns and stand out with different opinions.
 
And FWIW, I'd expect the Pac 16 to go with an east/west split (original 8 PCC teams in the west, Colorado, Utah, the Arizona schools and the four new Big 12 schools in the east).

Right, same thing. It was just a way to list the teams, lol.

It's obvious at this point (and has been for a long time) that the Big 12 isn't going to work. South Florida and Central Florida are ridiculous suggestions. Not ever going to happen.

You are right there, because I think this thing (Big 12) is over.

The why for abd, is because keeping the Big 12 together is a contrarian viewpoint to mainstream ideas and sure to spark a debate.

I made my point on this really clear, and it wasnt to simply spark a debate. I think OU is in a better position to win by adding mid-level teams to the current collection of teams. Thats really it, and its not like I am the only guy who expressed that same exact opinion.

For more proof of the "why for abd" look at the second half of your post. You point out what the near consensus is for the PAC 16 Divisons; a West/East spilt.

Abd provided an example of different divisons that are plausible, but aren't likely to happen. If Texas does come along then I do not see anyway they spilt up the OU-UT power duo. Im sure some logic beside the obvious regional factors is hoping Oregon-USC is the power duo for the other division so each division has two flagship programs.

This is funny... I just listed the first 8 teams I could think of in the "north" division and the rest I put in the south division. It wasnt meant to be a realistic division alignment of the teams, lol. I was just listing what that combo of teams would look like vs. what adding mid-level teams to the current system could look like.

My goodness.....

Abd is simply a guy who likes to stand out amongst the crowd and he does that by forming a different opinion than the norm.

What is the norm? Some people want to try to keep the Big 12 together, other people want to go to the Pac-16 model, some people want to go to the SEC, some people want a whole new conference! There is no "norm" here, and trying to keep the league is not some radical idea that I am pimping to go against the grain.

Hell, David Boren and some of the other school Presidents are trying everything they can to keep it together. Boren tried to get A&M to stay! Boren wanted the same thing I did. Is he just trying to stand out? Is his opinion different than the norm (whatever that is)?

but for most people all that went out the window when Nebraska bolted last year.

Losing Nebraska hurt, a lot. A&M probably just killed the whole thing though. It might have worked if they were able to add some decent, promising programs, but I think this thing is over.
 
North Division
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Utah
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

South Division
USC
UT
Texas Tech
California
UCLA
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State

OR.... Keep this Big 12 thing going.

North Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Oklahoma State
Louisville

South Division
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
South Florida
Central Florida

Why in the world would the Pac 16 not have OU and Texas and OSU and Tech play every year. I think it is much more likely to look like this:

OU, Texas, OSU, Tech, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State in the East and the rest of the Original Pac Ten in the West. This keeps traditional rivalries alive. It would also create interest in an Arizona v. OU game. Bob and Mike Stoops wouldn't like it but the networks would.
 
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