Fire Porter Moser

[BoulderSooner]

I do. I think there is a line to draw when it comes to in-season firing. Plus, there is a new boss in town. Forget the occupation for a moment. Anytime one considers a job change, the person you will ultimately work for is part of the decision-making process. Most people would rather not work for someone who is easy to replace employees if something doesn't go right (since we all make mistakes). No one will blame OU for firing Moser at seasons end. But if your potential new boss is firing during the season when the team is still at least "trying" to win, is that someone they will want to work for? I realize several other factors are considered in changing jobs, but the person you are going to work for is pretty high on the priority list.

the more money these guys make the more appropriate it is to have in season firings ..

they should have fired him 2 or 3 weeks ago

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

i don't think they'll fire him until after the season.
i said the same weeks ago. the team is continuing to play hard. they're not quitting.
and that's quite interesting. do they respect moser that much? are they paid professionals now?
it's actually a little surprising.

Yep. They're paid professionals now.

It's kinda like NFL players on bad teams in Week 17. They know their coach is going to get fired. They're playing for the next contract.

Same with these players. They're playing for the next contract.

 

[steverocks35]

I do. I think there is a line to draw when it comes to in-season firing. Plus, there is a new boss in town. Forget the occupation for a moment. Anytime one considers a job change, the person you will ultimately work for is part of the decision-making process. Most people would rather not work for someone who is easy to replace employees if something doesn't go right (since we all make mistakes). No one will blame OU for firing Moser at seasons end. But if your potential new boss is firing during the season when the team is still at least "trying" to win, is that someone they will want to work for? I realize several other factors are considered in changing jobs, but the person you are going to work for is pretty high on the priority list.

If it was a close call you would have a point. But Moser should have been fired 2 seasons ago. Nobody is going to blink an eye if they fire him now as opposed to a few weeks from now.

If you fire him now you signal that the university is serious about the basketball program.

 

[TEvans4Three]

I won't lose sleep if they fire Moser now. I just don't see the benefit unless someone higher up thinks one of his assistants would be a good replacement (hard to imagine), and wants to give him an audition. Tonight against the Vols was bad, but I did not see them QUIT until the game was out of reach. Moser is getting outcoached for sure. They start the second half down 9 and it quickly becomes 18. However, with 6 minutes left in the game, we were only down two possessions. That's because they fought back before falling apart down the stretch once again. It may be poor coaching, but if the effort is not there then there is no way they fight back from 18 down on the road to make it a two-possession game. I've never seen a quitting team do that. Now, to go from 6 down to 23? More times than not, a team expends a lot of energy to get back into a game only to run out of gas...seen that a thousand times.

Maybe one of the assistants can just go...alright guys, they are scoring at will in the paint...so we are just going to play a sunken 2-3 (3-2 mixed) zone to prevent that. Done.

I do. I think there is a line to draw when it comes to in-season firing. Plus, there is a new boss in town. Forget the occupation for a moment. Anytime one considers a job change, the person you will ultimately work for is part of the decision-making process. Most people would rather not work for someone who is easy to replace employees if something doesn't go right (since we all make mistakes). No one will blame OU for firing Moser at seasons end. But if your potential new boss is firing during the season when the team is still at least "trying" to win, is that someone they will want to work for? I realize several other factors are considered in changing jobs, but the person you are going to work for is pretty high on the priority list.

Moser being here 2 years too long shows the University gives you a much longer leash than most.

 

[Sooner Season]

I do. I think there is a line to draw when it comes to in-season firing. Plus, there is a new boss in town. Forget the occupation for a moment. Anytime one considers a job change, the person you will ultimately work for is part of the decision-making process. Most people would rather not work for someone who is easy to replace employees if something doesn't go right (since we all make mistakes). No one will blame OU for firing Moser at seasons end. But if your potential new boss is firing during the season when the team is still at least "trying" to win, is that someone they will want to work for? I realize several other factors are considered in changing jobs, but the person you are going to work for is pretty high on the priority list.

I would be good either way but I think you bring up a good point here. Honestly, what do we gain by firing him now besides saving us the torture of watching him "coach"?

 

[TSSR]

Morning everyone,

I hope everyone is doing well.

I agree with OP. Alrighty. Take care.

-TSSR

 

[MJSooner]

If it was a close call you would have a point. But Moser should have been fired 2 seasons ago. Nobody is going to blink an eye if they fire him now as opposed to a few weeks from now.

If you fire him now you signal that the university is serious about the basketball program.

Don't completely agree with this. They do show there is a line of accountability that they are serious about with the program.

But, IMO, we won't be able to tell how serious they are about the basketball program until a new coach is announced.

Hiring a Hartman or Kellen or some other unproven assistant doesn't show me they're serious. Getting a retread like the Steve Lavin or Tom Creans of the world shows me they're not serious. And since our program is not in a position to get top P4 coaches right now, hiring an up-and-comer Schertz, Calhoun, or Siddle, and then loading up the staff and NIL budget shows me they are committed to improving the basketball program.

But simply firing someone who has proven it is not working for multiple years isn't cause for celebration of a shift in the program- it should be simply expected.

 

[TINY]

I do. I think there is a line to draw when it comes to in-season firing. Plus, there is a new boss in town. Forget the occupation for a moment. Anytime one considers a job change, the person you will ultimately work for is part of the decision-making process. Most people would rather not work for someone who is easy to replace employees if something doesn't go right (since we all make mistakes). No one will blame OU for firing Moser at seasons end. But if your potential new boss is firing during the season when the team is still at least "trying" to win, is that someone they will want to work for? I realize several other factors are considered in changing jobs, but the person you are going to work for is pretty high on the priority list.

Agreed. The goodwill in coaching circles that OU enjoyed during the Joe Castiglione era is gone. There are plenty of examples of retaining sought after coaches due to the relationship with Joe C being the differentiator.

This is a new era. No one knows who the new guy is and how he operates. Is he a good boss to work for? That matters to coaches.

I think Ou should fire Moser after the regular season ends. Let someone else coach them during the conference tournament and get started on finding the next guy.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Agreed. The goodwill in coaching circles that OU enjoyed during the Joe Castiglione era is gone. There are plenty of examples of retaining sought after coaches due to the relationship with Joe C being the differentiator.

This is a new era. No one knows who the new guy is and how he operates. Is he a good boss to work for? That matters to coaches.

I think Ou should fire Moser after the regular season ends. Let someone else coach them during the conference tournament and get started on finding the next guy.

I want porter moron to have every single L anchored around his neck, so I'll take after the conference tourney

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Agreed. The goodwill in coaching circles that OU enjoyed during the Joe Castiglione era is gone. There are plenty of examples of retaining sought after coaches due to the relationship with Joe C being the differentiator.

This is a new era. No one knows who the new guy is and how he operates. Is he a good boss to work for? That matters to coaches.

I think Ou should fire Moser after the regular season ends. Let someone else coach them during the conference tournament and get started on finding the next guy.

The conference tournament is most likely one game, maybe two if we win our first game. May as well have Porter coach it then fire him in Nashville.

 

[WaymanFan]

Hiring a Hartman or Kellen or some other unproven assistant doesn't show me they're serious. Getting a retread like the Steve Lavin or Tom Creans of the world shows me they're not serious. And since our program is not in a position to get top P4 coaches right now, hiring an up-and-comer Schertz, Calhoun, or Siddle, and then loading up the staff and NIL budget shows me they are committed to improving the basketball program.

Excellent point! It probably doesn't matter WHEN Moser is fired, but who they are targeting to replace him. This is going to be the new AD's first hire...and it's the second most important hire he can make. He'll want to get this right.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Updated coaching board:

 

[WTSooner]

Still think Schertz and Calhoun should be at the top of our list.

Braeuer is interesting, but I think we need somebody with more than 1 season as a HC.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Updated coaching board:

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I'm all aboard either Calhoun or schertz.

Both essentially did 2x better than the recent historical success at their prior schools before USU and SLU (those prior schools were like .333 winning teams and they got them to like .555-ish). And now they are both building at USU and SLU. id be happy with either. Id prolly give an edge to Calhoun just based on him having better numbers this year on a 2x harder SOS. interview both and see if we can get either. They look like builders and winners.

I don't think we are in a position to get a HC with more proven success on their resume. Were going to have to rule the dice regardless. But surely anyone is better than Porter Moron

 

[WichitaSooner]

I'm all aboard either Calhoun or schertz.

Both essentially did 2x better than the recent historical success at their prior schools before USU and SLU (those prior schools were like .333 winning teams and they got them to like .555-ish). And now they are both building at USU and SLU. id be happy with either. Id prolly give an edge to Calhoun just based on him having better numbers this year on a 2x harder SOS. interview both and see if we can get either. They look like builders and winners.

I don't think we are in a position to get a HC with more proven success on their resume. Were going to have to rule the dice regardless. But surely anyone is better than Porter Moron

I know that a lot of KSU people are already hoping for Schertz. No clue if he would be interested but they have a head start since they are the only current power conference school with an opening.

 

[daqman]

doubt we get shertz or calhoun.

 

[daqman]

Updated coaching board:

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could you add hodgson from south florida?

 

[cowboysooner]

JMO, but firing Moser during the season is just wrong. Winning or losing doesn't constitute "cause" for firing anyone. Teaches the wrong lesson to kids, both for those on campus and those that might be in the program in the future. It is just plain irresponsible.

Let the kids and coaches fight to the end, finish the season completely, then if you want to make a change, do it. The fact that most other schools and administrators do the wrong thing, doesn't make OU doing it right.

I don't think allowing Moser to finish the season prevents you from being honest with Moser about his future. You should be. You can start evaluating coaching candidates now and even having preliminary talks with agents. Then when the season is over, and if Moser is not going to be retained, then you can move quickly to get another coach. Point being, I don't think you are hurting yourself by handling this situation properly. If another coach is willing to betray his current program and/or not wait for an opening at OU, then who wants him anyway.

And, I know, I am an old foggy.

 

[hoopsaustin]

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Bryce drew is also intriguing. Hes a big time winner at 2/3 of his HC spots like .700-ish.

Was a disaster at Vandy however. like half as good as Vandy's historical rate.. idk what the deal was there.

He coaches D well apparently which travels and is prolly a stable quality for a HC (think sampson). Idk what the deal is with his terrible O rating here. but here's the deal, hes still 17-9, 4th in conference and winning games despite a putrid O. Played a pretty decent looking non-con imo. He could be an interesting candidate particularly depending on how the season plays out.

Olen at UNM has huge upside too. But he scares me with only 3 good years and 3 bad ones (which i think he took UC-San Diego to D1)... well, honestly I think I've talked myself into Olen being my #1. 3/4 of his top scorers are freshman (shows he can ID talent and put it to use) and hes 3rd in conference (above Bryce Drew and beat him). @TEvans4Three can you add Olen on here and run his #s?

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Bryce drew is also intriguing. Hes a big time winner at 2/3 of his HC spots like .700-ish.

Was a disaster at Vandy however. like half as good as Vandy's historical rate.. idk what the deal was there.

He coaches D well apparently which travels and is prolly a stable quality for a HC (think sampson). Idk what the deal is with his terrible O rating here. but here's the deal, hes still 17-9, 4th in conference and winning games despite a putrid O. Played a pretty decent looking non-con imo. He could be an interesting candidate particularly depending on how the season plays out.

Olen at UNM has huge upside too. But he scares me with only 3 good years and 3 bad ones (which i think he took UC-San Diego to D1)... well, honestly I think I've talked myself into Olen being my #1. 3/4 of his top scorers are freshman (shows he can ID talent and put it to use) and hes 3rd in conference (above Bryce Drew and beat him). @TEvans4Three can you add Olen on here and run his #s?

We want Eric Olen if we can get him. Never mind the 3 bad years: those were UC San Diego's transition years from Division II to Division I with absolutely nothing to recruit to or play for. He took UCSD to the tournament in their first year of eligibility. That's unheard of. And they were close to getting an at-large bid out of the Big West(!) if they had lost in their tournament final.

He has it going at UNM as well. Their program is well supported and is the biggest thing in Albuquerque, but we're in the SEC. We'd be a step up.