Flopper to the Celtics with the 6th Pick

+ 20 with 4 steals. Pretty awesome start for both Smart & the C's. They bumrushed the Nets from the gitgo. 8 Celts in double figures scoring. Brad Stevens has em moving the rock.
 
Since this thread is still alive somehow, it's my duty to report that in the Celtics' 104-90 loss the the Rockets the Flopper had 2 points, was 0-8 from the field and 0-5 from the 3 point line with 1 rebound, 1 assist, 0 steals, and 2 turnovers. But ignore all that, his intangibles are through the roof!

Also I can't imagine that the Celtics want him taking 5 three pointers.


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Dude couldn't make a college 3. Why is he attempting that many in the NBA?
 
steverocks35 said:
Since this thread is still alive somehow, it's my duty to report that in the Celtics' 104-90 loss the the Rockets the Flopper had 2 points, was 0-8 from the field and 0-5 from the 3 point line with 1 rebound, 1 assist, 0 steals, and 2 turnovers. But ignore all that, his intangibles are through the roof!

Also I can't imagine that the Celtics want him taking 5 three pointers.


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thanks for the update, I really don't care if this guy becomes a good NBA player or if he stinks it up, but if people insist on posting his numbers with a positive spin, it's definitely fair game to show the opposite as well.
 
steverocks35 said:
Also I can't imagine that the Celtics want him taking 5 three pointers.
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JBaker said:
Dude couldn't make a college 3. Why is he attempting that many in the NBA?
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Brad Stevens has placed a huge emphasis on shooting 3s. He wants his players to expand their range, including less prolific shooters like Smart, Rondo, and their bigs.

They took a ton of 3s in the preseason, and a big deal was made of it. Stevens doesn't want guys passing on open 3s.

In the short term, it's going to get ugly at times, but they weren't going to be a good team this year regardless, and it'll pay off in the long run if some of these guys develop into decent 3-point shooters.
 
Smash Williams said:
Brad Stevens has placed a huge emphasis on shooting 3s. He wants his players to expand their range, including less prolific shooters like Smart, Rondo, and their bigs.

They took a ton of 3s in the preseason, and a big deal was made of it. Stevens doesn't want guys passing on open 3s.

In the short term, it's going to get ugly at times, but they weren't going to be a good team this year regardless, and it'll pay off in the long run if some of these guys develop into decent 3-point shooters.
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Sounds a lot like what Lon put into place his second year here ... we shot 500 3 pointers at a 32% clip in 2012-13. Last year, that increased to 750 shots at 38%.
 
Funny that sports center led off with the C's and Smart's flop, at least SVP called it what it was, a flop.
 
I hate that flopping is a part of the game now, but you (or I) can't really fault the kid when he sees guys like Lebron and KD do the same things.

I didn't watch a ton of NBA last year. Have the fines for flopping cut any of it out?
 
WTSooner said:
I hate that flopping is a part of the game now, but you (or I) can't really fault the kid when he sees guys like Lebron and KD do the same things.

I didn't watch a ton of NBA last year. Have the fines for flopping cut any of it out?
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KD and LeBron? Holy hell. Let go of the overcompensation. Do they flop on occasion? Sure. Is it a primary part of their defensive skill set? Not so much.

There's a HUGE difference between what many current NBA players do compared to what MS does. He's going to have to change or he won't be in the league long.
 
WTSooner said:
I hate that flopping is a part of the game now, but you (or I) can't really fault the kid when he sees guys like Lebron and KD do the same things.

I didn't watch a ton of NBA last year. Have the fines for flopping cut any of it out?
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Not really.

It's not being enforced consistently. See these stats (source):

2012-13 season: 24 flopping violations by 19 players on 13 teams; 5 fines totaling $25,000

2013-14 season: 33 flopping violations by 27 players on 19 teams; 6 fines totaling $30,000

The NBA has 1,230 regular season games. 33 flopping violations in the regular season amounts to one flopping violation every 37 games.

The fines also aren't nearly enough to deter players, especially in the playoffs.

I agree that it's annoying, but it's practical. Some players are going to get every edge that they can, and the certainty and severity of punishment for flopping are far outweighed by the benefits. Chris Paul, for example, looks for every little edge--maximizing 2-for-1's (nothing unethical or wrong about this), trying to draw shooting fouls in the backcourt in obvious fouling situations in an attempt to get three FTs instead of two (even though the refs never give it to him, and it backfired in Game 5 in OKC), taking cheap shots, and yes, flopping (even on dead balls). CP3 will do anything to win, and he makes over $20 mil per year. A $5-10k fine isn't going to deter him.

If anything, I'm surprised there are players who don't do it.

“If it’s Game 7 of the N.B.A. finals and a guy has a chance to make a play, he’s going to be like, ‘Well, do I want this $10,000 or do I want a championship?’”--Blake Griffin
 
Section31 said:
KD and LeBron? Holy hell. Let go of the overcompensation. Do they flop on occasion? Sure. Is it a primary part of their defensive skill set? Not so much.

There's a HUGE difference between what many current NBA players do compared to what MS does. He's going to have to change or he won't be in the league long.
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If Smart gets bounced from the league at some point, it will be due to his poor shooting. Through three games he is shooting 28% from the field and 14% from three point range. Those are not good numbers for an NBA guard who is averaging just over 21 minutes per game. Nothing new for him, really. Shooting was the worst part of his game in college.
 
AdaSooner said:
If Smart gets bounced from the league at some point, it will be due to his poor shooting. Through three games he is shooting 28% from the field and 14% from three point range. Those are not good numbers for an NBA guard who is averaging just over 21 minutes per game. Nothing new for him, really. Shooting was the worst part of his game in college.
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That's certainly true, but my point is, knowing that he's not a skilled shooter, he's going to have to be a lock down defender. Right now, a large part of his defensively identity is to flop rather than play solid defense.
 
Section31 said:
That's certainly true, but my point is, knowing that he's not a skilled shooter, he's going to have to be a lock down defender. Right now, a large part of his defensively identity is to flop rather than play solid defense.
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I'm with you there.

Flopping aside, though, I think defense is Smart's greatest strength. I haven't watched a Celts game yet, so I have no idea how that translates to the NBA? I agree that he has to be a lock down defender, create turnovers and develop into a real asset in every phase of the game to make up for his deficiencies as a shot maker.

Nearly every player has the potential to improve their shooting stroke over time through dedication and hard work. That's especially true with a player who is good enough to make an NBA roster. But, based on Smart's performances in the first three games, one has to wonder what he was working on before the season started?
 
Section31 said:
That's certainly true, but my point is, knowing that he's not a skilled shooter, he's going to have to be a lock down defender. Right now, a large part of his defensively identity is to flop rather than play solid defense.
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You fellas obviously don't have the celtics feed. Last night the announcers were raving about him being all over the place as they came back from 30 down. He even defended Dirk some ... guarding 4 positions. He's shot 43% in 2 games and took a 0-7 donut in only 11 minutes versus Houston.

Stevens had him playing with Rondo & Bradley last night and those 3 are a handful.
 
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