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I can't believe we lost to Texas Tech.
This team looks clueless.
 
Markel Brown should have been first team All Big 12 instead of Smart.
 
26 fts in first half. Holy moly. Pretty obvious the big 12 wants 7 teams


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TheGimper said:
Markel Brown should have been first team All Big 12 instead of Smart.
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Agree 100%. Not only has Brown performed much more consistently, he has seemed to be the most positive influence on that team, and he didn't sit out 20% of his teams conference games, rather he played about 99.9% of the possible minutes. Smarts partly unwarranted hype is just so powerful that a good guy and player like Brown can't overcome it. It's pretty sad how little effort is put into these awards.
 
TheGimper said:
Markel Brown should have been first team All Big 12 instead of Smart.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. OSU will miss Brown more than Smart next year. He's a better all-around team player!
 
AdaSooner said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. OSU will miss Brown more than Smart next year. He's a better all-around team player!
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Ada, you and I agree on 99% of everything said on this board...and I despise Marcus Smart for so many reasons, but I think you're flat wrong that they will miss Brown more than Smart. Don't get me wrong, Brown is a great player, and I would choose him for my team BEFORE Smart because I respect his game, his demeanor, and his approach to the team.

Still...Smart's numbers tonight:

18 points
7 rebounds
7 assists
6 steals

Marcus Smart starts the Cowboys defense -- which is the lifeblood of their attack -- AND the offense. He is the most important player on both sides of the floor. Without him, the team played valiantly -- thanks in large part to Brown's toughness and leadership -- but they are a top 15 team with Smart in the game and outside the top 50 when he's not.

Man, I feel really dirty now.
 
pnkranger said:
Ada, you and I agree on 99% of everything said on this board...and I despise Marcus Smart for so many reasons, but I think you're flat wrong that they will miss Brown more than Smart. Don't get me wrong, Brown is a great player, and I would choose him for my team BEFORE Smart because I respect his game, his demeanor, and his approach to the team.

Still...Smart's numbers tonight:

18 points
7 rebounds
7 assists
6 steals

Marcus Smart starts the Cowboys defense -- which is the lifeblood of their attack -- AND the offense. He is the most important player on both sides of the floor. Without him, the team played valiantly -- thanks in large part to Brown's toughness and leadership -- but they are a top 15 team with Smart in the game and outside the top 50 when he's not.

Man, I feel really dirty now.
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Exactly right. I like the way Smart has come back from his suspension. He looks like a team player again and the antics have stopped. How long that will last who knows but as long as he keeps it up no team in the country wants to see the Pokes in their bracket.
 
The Big 12 next year is going to be unbelievable. TCU and West Virginia will be totally different teams. OSU could end up in the basement.
 
pnkranger said:
Ada, you and I agree on 99% of everything said on this board...and I despise Marcus Smart for so many reasons, but I think you're flat wrong that they will miss Brown more than Smart. Don't get me wrong, Brown is a great player, and I would choose him for my team BEFORE Smart because I respect his game, his demeanor, and his approach to the team.

Still...Smart's numbers tonight:

18 points
7 rebounds
7 assists
6 steals

Marcus Smart starts the Cowboys defense -- which is the lifeblood of their attack -- AND the offense. He is the most important player on both sides of the floor. Without him, the team played valiantly -- thanks in large part to Brown's toughness and leadership -- but they are a top 15 team with Smart in the game and outside the top 50 when he's not.

Man, I feel really dirty now.
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Well, don't expect me to turn on the shower for you. ;)

Seriously, pnkranger, I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it to be true. I could be wrong, of course. But I think even you will agree that Brown doesn't get near the credit he deserves. Why? Because he has the misfortune of playing under the shadow of one of the most over-hyped players the Big 12 has seen in years.

Don't get me wrong, Marcus Smart is a really good player. He'll make a lot of money in the NBA next year, while Brown will likely struggle to make an NBA roster. That doesn't change the fact that Markel has been as steady as a rock the entire season. Marcus has run hot and cold. He has also hurt his team at times, not only with his decision-making, but with his poor shooting and turnovers in some games. When it comes to defense, there is no doubt that he trumps Markel Brown. But that's about it. Marcus had a really good game tonight. But he has also hurt his team with a few poor games. Don't forget that OSU had lost four in a row before his suspension.

Let's take a look at their season stats:

Smart averaged 17.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 4.7 assists. He also shot 42% from the field and 32% from three, while turning the ball over at the rate of 2.6 per game.

Brown averaged 17.2 ppg, 5.6 rptg and 3.0 assists. He shot 47% from the field and 38% from three, with 1.6 TOs per game. Brown had more blocks. Smart had more steals. Otherwise, their contribution to the team has been remarkably similar.

If I was Travis Ford and I had my choice of the player I would want back next year, I would pick Markel Brown. Ford knows what he'll get from Markel in every game. There is no way he can be sure about Marcus Smart. Brown means a lot more to that team then most people realize.
 
pnkranger said:
Ada, you and I agree on 99% of everything said on this board...and I despise Marcus Smart for so many reasons, but I think you're flat wrong that they will miss Brown more than Smart. Don't get me wrong, Brown is a great player, and I would choose him for my team BEFORE Smart because I respect his game, his demeanor, and his approach to the team.

Still...Smart's numbers tonight:

18 points
7 rebounds
7 assists
6 steals

Marcus Smart starts the Cowboys defense -- which is the lifeblood of their attack -- AND the offense. He is the most important player on both sides of the floor. Without him, the team played valiantly -- thanks in large part to Brown's toughness and leadership -- but they are a top 15 team with Smart in the game and outside the top 50 when he's not.

Man, I feel really dirty now.
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I'll pretend I never read that.



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pnkranger said:
Ada, you and I agree on 99% of everything said on this board...and I despise Marcus Smart for so many reasons, but I think you're flat wrong that they will miss Brown more than Smart. Don't get me wrong, Brown is a great player, and I would choose him for my team BEFORE Smart because I respect his game, his demeanor, and his approach to the team.

Still...Smart's numbers tonight:

18 points
7 rebounds
7 assists
6 steals

Marcus Smart starts the Cowboys defense -- which is the lifeblood of their attack -- AND the offense. He is the most important player on both sides of the floor. Without him, the team played valiantly -- thanks in large part to Brown's toughness and leadership -- but they are a top 15 team with Smart in the game and outside the top 50 when he's not.

Man, I feel really dirty now.
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The announcers called his numbers almos a tripple double and then said almost a quadruple double. That is the hype that is so odd with Smart. 18, 10, and 8 or 9 is almost a trippe double. Smart simply filled up the stat sheet in a very impressive fashion.
 
I agree with Ada. Smart also benefits from being the pg. pg should have more assists.
 
When Smart is on his game, he can be really good. When he's not, he hurts the team in ways his inflated stat sheet fails to reveal to the casual fan. Television commentators and newspaper reporters don't count. Some, but not all, are clueless when it comes to the story behind the number of points he scored.

For example, he scored 22 points in OSU's loss in Norman. Looks good on the surface, doesn't it? Not so good when you dig a little deeper and discover that he took 18 shots from the field to do it, finishing with 6 of 18 (33%) from the field and 3 of 11 (27%) from three. Heck, he was even awful from the free throw line, making only 7 of 13 (54%).

He scored 20 points in the ISU game during that losing stretch on 6 of 14 from the field, 1-5 from three and 7 of 9 from the free throw line. That's just two of the poor performances he's had this season. Television commentators and newspaper reporters see that he scored 20 points or more and that's all they want to talk about.

As a footnote in case you're wondering how many assists he had in those games? Three in each game, with two turnovers in the OU game and just as many (3) in the ISU game as assists.

Denver is right, Marcus has an advantage by having the ball in his hands in running OSU's offense. He does a good job sometimes (last night's game for example). When he has a bad game, he hurts his team more than anyone else because he's the guy who is running the show.
 
I agree with the point you are making about stats and offensive production...but Marcus Smart is an elite defender and makes their defense go as well.

Actually, Marcus wins hands down in offensive production. Because, you know, he is really offensive.
 
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