Football question

[BCSooners]

Last year Hurts was 10th in QBR and 8th in qb rating

So last year you think he was a better passer than Mahomes, Allen, Stafford.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So last year you think he was a better passer than Mahomes, Allen, Stafford.

I think he had a better year passing last year than those three, yes

 

[BCSooners]

I think he had a better year passing last year than those three, yes

All I need to know to be done with this conversation.

 

[Eielson]

As you quoted, I said when evaluating who the better thrower is.
When I'm comparing QBs, how good they throw the ball is #1. Because Ideally, you don't need you QB to be your main runner.

When I compare QBs, I want to see their contribution to winning. It doesn't matter how they do it.

Regardless, I mentioned about 10 other reasons QBR is a better metric, even if we excluded the QB run game because...well I actually don't know why we're excluding plays that they are performing. I have never met a person that understands EPA that would want to exclude that.

In the same vein, if I am comparing running backs, I will look at their running statistics first to see who the better runner is.

When a guy like Faulk, LT, or CMC gets 1000 yards receiving, you don't think that matters?

 

[Eielson]

PJ was a guy I was worried about losing. Very talented but has had to compete with a lot of really good players, so playing time probably not what he'd hoped thus far.

He entered the portal but is already out. The impressive retention rates continue! We rarely lose guys we want to keep.

 

[WichitaSooner]

PJ was a guy I was worried about losing. Very talented but has had to compete with a lot of really good players, so playing time probably not what he'd hoped thus far.

He entered the portal but is already out. The impressive retention rates continue! We rarely lose guys we want to keep.

Zero doubt that if he had stayed in the portal, you would have spun it the same way you did losing Strong and pointed to his meager stats. When guys leave, you just automatically spin it by saying we didn’t want them back. Never mind the fact that, for example, Kobie is almost certainly going to be a better player in 2026 than Sullivan.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Zero doubt that if he had stayed in the portal, you would have spun it the same way you did losing Strong and pointed to his meager stats. When guys leave, you just automatically spin it by saying we didn’t want them back. Never mind the fact that, for example, Kobie is almost certainly going to be a better player in 2026 than Sullivan.

i think PJ would have been a big loss .. but i am also not he is going to start ... he is great against the run ... but Okoye has much much more upside as a pass rusher ..

i think Strong was a loss .. but also not worth OU paying what he got at clemson

 

[SoonerBounce13]

When a guy like Faulk, LT, or CMC gets 1000 yards receiving, you don't think that matters?

Did I ever say it didn't matter?

Heaven forbid I value how a RUNNING back performs when running the ball over how he performs catching a ball.

This isn't hard.

IN GENERAL, qbs throw. running backs run. Receivers receive.
That is not all they do, but those are their primary functions...it is in their names.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

All I need to know to be done with this conversation.

Sweet. Nice talk

 

[Eielson]

Zero doubt that if he had stayed in the portal, you would have spun it the same way you did losing Strong and pointed to his meager stats. When guys leave, you just automatically spin it by saying we didn’t want them back. Never mind the fact that, for example, Kobie is almost certainly going to be a better player in 2026 than Sullivan.

Oh 100%. I absolutely would not have bedwet about losing a backup while retaining our proven starter, who would have been drafted had he closed to turn pro. But like usual, when our staff decides they truly want a guy, we simply don't lose defenders. I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but it still hasn't.

I tend to trust the opinions of the best defensive staff in the country over a doofus that called Stone a bust last year, predicted 6 wins, said our defense wasn't talented enough, said Hardy would dominate us, and obsessively talks about KU basketball.

Like clockwork, you took a break from that photoshopped Bill Self picture on your bedroom wall to complain about something positive that happened for OU.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Never mind the fact that, for example, Kobie is almost certainly going to be a better player in 2026 than Sullivan.

not remotely accurate .. which is why one will be the starting MIKE at OU and the other is at northwestern ..


and the one at OU is going to make a lot more money ..

 

[WichitaSooner]

not remotely accurate .. which is why one will be the starting MIKE at OU and the other is at northwestern ..


and the one at OU is going to make a lot more money ..

I’ll defer to Teddy when it comes to linebacker play unless you or someone else on the board is a former Butkus winner. Listen to his evaluation on the current pod. He said he considers Sullivan to be about where Danny was as a freshman or sophomore. Has lots of potential and thinks he will be very good at some point, but has lots of areas where he needs to improve. Do you think freshman/sophomore Danny would have started for OU this year?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I’ll defer to Teddy when it comes to linebacker play unless you or someone else on the board is a former Butkus winner. Listen to his evaluation on the current pod. He said he considers Sullivan to be about where Danny was as a freshman or sophomore. Has lots of potential and thinks he will be very good at some point, but has lots of areas where he needs to improve. Do you think freshman/sophomore Danny would have started for OU this year?

Well I'm pretty sure Kobie wasn't going to be a starter either

 

[Eielson]

I’ll defer to Teddy when it comes to linebacker play unless you or someone else on the board is a former Butkus winner. Listen to his evaluation on the current pod. He said he considers Sullivan to be about where Danny was as a freshman or sophomore. Has lots of potential and thinks he will be very good at some point, but has lots of areas where he needs to improve. Do you think freshman/sophomore Danny would have started for OU this year?

I don't follow that pod has religiously as you do, but if Teddy is comparing him to Stutsman, a LB that had 124 tackles as a sophomore...that's pretty high praise! Sounds like an upgrade, which is what pretty much everybody has said.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Oh 100%. I absolutely would not have bedwet about losing a backup while retaining our proven starter, who would have been drafted had he closed to turn pro. But like usual, when our staff decides they truly want a guy, we simply don't lose defenders. I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but it still hasn't.

I tend to trust the opinions of the best defensive staff in the country over a doofus that called Stone a bust last year, predicted 6 wins, said our defense wasn't talented enough, said Hardy would dominate us, and obsessively talks about KU basketball.

Like clockwork, you took a break from that photoshopped Bill Self picture on your bedroom wall to complain about something positive that happened for OU.

Good work again with the lying. You truly are a master. You should apply for a job in the current administration. You would be a lock.

All kidding aside, lying is such a a scum bag move. It’s really reprehensible. But the good thing is, the more you do it, the more you show who you are as a human being.

 

[Eielson]

I’ll defer to Teddy when it comes to linebacker play unless you or someone else on the board is a former Butkus winner.

Also want to highlight how hilarious it is that Teddy is considered the ultimate authority on LBer play, while questioning the very coach who taught him how to play LBer. And also taught the Butkus award winner right before him.

Yeah, we probably shouldn't have any faith in the LB that BV handpicked. Let's go with Wichita's assessment.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Also want to highlight how hilarious it is that Teddy is considered the ultimate authority on LBer play, while questioning the very coach who taught him how to play LBer. And also taught the Butkus award winner right before him.

Yeah, we probably shouldn't have any faith in the LB that BV handpicked. Let's go with Wichita's assessment.

I don’t know what’s more impressive, your lying or lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Eielson]

I don’t know what’s more impressive, your lying or lack of reading comprehension.

Nobody actually believes you when you say I lied or can't read, but it keeps getting funnier the more times try to save face with that line instead of admitting you were wrong. You can still critique our offense while acknowledging that BV knows a little bit about LBs.