Football question

[Boom Soon]

It made it where Auburn needed a TD and the extra point to take the lead.

At that point, the OU defense had given up two TD's. Not in the game, BUT ALL SEASON. That was 100% the right call. It also means that if Auburn gets that TD (which they did), all OU needs is a FG to get the lead back.

Had it been 4th and 1, MAYBE you go for it. But 4th and 2? With our running game? EASY decision.

This 100%

 

[CoachTalk]

It’s an atrocious call. It didn’t make it a two possession game. It showed a total lack of confidence in his offense. And it immediately bit us in the ass. There is no analytic model that would support that decision.

Sorry we won. Got a top 60 player in hoops and won a top 25 game. Bye week and kent state next. Gonna be a long 3 weeks before you can cheer for Texas.

 

[mict085]

I don’t expect us or any team to be perfect. But is it ok to expect more than 1 YPC? I mean, that is truly bottom of the barrel stuff. Missouri rushed for about a million yards tonight against a conference opponent. I’m not complaining about a minor flaw here. Take away a few good runs from Blaylock, and this has been four absolutely miserable performances in the run game. It’s just extremely frustrating after listening to so much talk about how much better the line was and how much better our running game would be this year.

It’s asking a lot of the defense to expect them to keep bailing the offense out. I haven’t complained about the lack of turnovers because they can be a somewhat fluky thing, but if our offense is going to keep struggling, we have to start getting some turnovers and easy scores.

Nobody is happy about the run game. Our OL is always injured. We played several backups again this week. OL is the one position where guys have to play well together and that’s hard to do when we can’t stay healthy. The offense is much improved but it still has a long way to go.

We have a bye and a cupcake coming up. Good time to get everyone healthy. Every team in the country has flaws. We are no exception. It’s wide open and everyone in the SEC looks beatable, including us.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Our head coach just chose to kick a FG that extends it from a one-possession game to (checks notes) still a one-possession game. Brutal decision. But it also speaks volumes about our running game.

It was the right call

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Anyone want to call #4 a great CB? Anytime OU blitzes Arnold is throwing a jump ball to Coleman and Auburn wins.

He is good. He will be great.
Coleman is legit

 

[SoonerBounce13]

No question we have at least 3 losses on our schedule if we continue to average less than 2 yards per rush. I can't put much of the blame on Blaylock because the o-line was getting blown up on almost every run. It was brutal to watch. Offensively, we're pretty one-dimensional with almost all of our success coming on short passes. Good d-coordinators will figure out how to stop that. Mateer had a beautiful long pass that set up the winning TD, but he needs to be much more accurate on those deep balls.

There were so many penalties committed by both teams as well as non-calls that could have gone against both teams. As such, I'm not sure how much the refs played a part in this. That said, if I was an Auburn fan, I would have lost it on that 1st Q fumble return for a TD that got overturned. If I'm being objective, I believe the call on the field should have stood. I just don't think there was definitive evidence one way or the other, but I would love for someone to set me straight .

All in all, great job by the defense when it counted! And thankfully, J Arnold still makes slow decisions...just glad it benefitted us this time.

Agreed. I think the call could have stood with whichever way the refs called it on the field

I’m glad sooner magic includes calls now

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don’t know what “folks” would say. I know that my opinion wouldn’t have changed. You go for it there. We’ve actually been quite successful when we only need a yard or two, mainly using Mateer. But again, getting a six point lead didn’t end up helping us because they drove right down the field, converted a pair of fourth downs, and took the lead.

But the bigger concern is that our running game is so bad that the coach didn’t trust them to convert. I’m sure we will get the usual excuses about the line being “banged up,” but this is really a terrible run game. One YPC today from our backs, even with the guy who people think is our best guy getting almost all the touches. That isn’t going to win on the road, or against better teams. It may not have won today had we not gotten away with the first touchdown that likely shouldn’t have counted. I just don’t get it.

Your opinion would have 100% changed if we went for it and didn’t get it. I’ve never been more sure of anything in my life lol

 

[BCSooners]

He is good. He will be great.
Coleman is legit

I know. I was just frustrated mostly by the blitzes. When OU blitzed it made Arnold just throw it up to Coleman and he whooped #4 on every route.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Your opinion would have 100% changed if we went for it and didn’t get it. I’ve never been more sure of anything in my life lol

I never do that. I look at the process. I’ve said for four years that Brent coaches scared and it’s been one of my biggest complaints about him. He did the same thing two years ago even when our offense was decent. They even mentioned on the broadcast yesterday that he very rarely goes for it on fourth down. I spent last season watching the Raiders also opt to kick FGs or punt on fourth downs because their coach also coached scared and didn’t understand analytics. If Brent had gone for it yesterday and we got stopped, I would have still been happy he chose to go. That’s the head coach’s job. Then it is up to the OC to call a good play. The other aggravating thing about yesterday’s choice is that if you aren’t planning to go for it on fourth, why did they run the play they did on third down? Again, that was pointed out on the broadcast. Did Brent not communicate to Arbuckle before third down whether they had one or two plays to pick up the yards they needed?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Sorry we won. Got a top 60 player in hoops and won a top 25 game. Bye week and kent state next. Gonna be a long 3 weeks before you can cheer for Texas.

Don’t worry, it just gives you three weeks to keep up your act of pretending like you’re a better fan than everyone else. Also plenty of time for you to figure out a way to kiss more butt. Maybe one of these years you’ll get an award for never having a critical comment about any coach.

 

[mict085]

I know. I was just frustrated mostly by the blitzes. When OU blitzed it made Arnold just throw it up to Coleman and he whooped #4 on every route.

I don’t think that’s true. He was beaten twice and was called for a penalty once over the course of the whole game. Hes a true freshman playing against an all American vet that will be playing in the NFL. It happens and he will learn and get better.

Despite all the gnashing of teeth, Auburn barely scratched out 17 points. That will be good enough for us to win most or all of our games. If our other DBs didn’t have butter fingers, we would’ve had 2 turnovers and probably a defensive TD and Auburn would’ve scored 10 at most and it would’ve been a blowout.

 

[CoachTalk]

Don’t worry, it just gives you three weeks to keep up your act of pretending like you’re a better fan than everyone else. Also plenty of time for you to figure out a way to kiss more butt. Maybe one of these years you’ll get an award for never having a critical comment about any coach.

No one is siding with you: FG was correct call.

Run game has to be better. Everyone knows that

 

[WaymanFan]

I also agree with the decision to kick the easy FG on "4th and 2" since WE HAVE NO RUNNING GAME! I can also see Wichita's point as well. This wouldn't have been an egregious decision either way. I'm still fuming nearly 8 years later after our inept defense somehow held Georgia to a FG in that overtime playoff game. We were all celebrating in a restaurant bar with the Charlotte Sooners fan club because a TD would win it. We all got excited on 4th and 1 with a Heisman Trophy QB, a good college RB, and three future 1000-yard NFL receivers to pick up that one yard. Then, suddenly, all of the collective air came out of that bar when Austin Seibert came on to the field to tie the game and force a second OT. We all knew at that moment we were going to lose. Now THAT was a horrendous coaching decision, and 8 years' time hasn't changed that. The decision yesterday came down to personal preference even if OU had lost the game.

 

[snydrosooner]

It’s an atrocious call. It didn’t make it a two possession game. It showed a total lack of confidence in his offense. And it immediately bit us in the ass. There is no analytic model that would support that decision.

It made the final drive for ou only needing a field goal to win. If missed would have needed a touchdown.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It made the final drive for ou only needing a field goal to win. If missed would have needed a touchdown.

So your argument is that it was a good decision because it put us in a slightly better position if we immediately gave up a touchdown? That’s the kind of timid, worst case scenario thinking I don’t like from a coach.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I also agree with the decision to kick the easy FG on "4th and 2" since WE HAVE NO RUNNING GAME! I can also see Wichita's point as well. This wouldn't have been an egregious decision either way. I'm still fuming nearly 8 years later after our inept defense somehow held Georgia to a FG in that overtime playoff game. We were all celebrating in a restaurant bar with the Charlotte Sooners fan club because a TD would win it. We all got excited on 4th and 1 with a Heisman Trophy QB, a good college RB, and three future 1000-yard NFL receivers to pick up that one yard. Then, suddenly, all of the collective air came out of that bar when Austin Seibert came on to the field to tie the game and force a second OT. We all knew at that moment we were going to lose. Now THAT was a horrendous coaching decision, and 8 years' time hasn't changed that. The decision yesterday came down to personal preference even if OU had lost the game.

I agree with this … yesterday was not the worst decision I’ve seen, for the reason you mention: we can’t run block and don’t have a back you can truly trust. But I think the reason it bugs me is that Brent has been super conservative for four years. Go for the jugular there. You don’t have to just run up the middle with a back. You can use Mateer, go play action, etc. And if it doesn’t work, Auburn is starting on their 10 yard line against what is supposed to be an elite defense.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I don’t think that’s true. He was beaten twice and was called for a penalty once over the course of the whole game. Hes a true freshman playing against an all American vet that will be playing in the NFL. It happens and he will learn and get better.

Despite all the gnashing of teeth, Auburn barely scratched out 17 points. That will be good enough for us to win most or all of our games. If our other DBs didn’t have butter fingers, we would’ve had 2 turnovers and probably a defensive TD and Auburn would’ve scored 10 at most and it would’ve been a blowout.

And if the refs didn’t blow a basic rule interpretation, our offense wouldn’t have reached 20 yesterday, either. As far as the DBs, we are a third of the way into the season now and haven’t gotten a turnover. This might just be something we have to have to deal with all season.

 

[WTSooner]

And if the refs didn’t blow a basic rule interpretation, our offense wouldn’t have reached 20 yesterday, either. As far as the DBs, we are a third of the way into the season now and haven’t gotten a turnover. This might just be something we have to have to deal with all season.

lol, what?

I don't care what the SEC says, OU didn't break a rule on that play. Our player never acted like he was going to leave the game. He simply lined up wide, checked with the ref, and we were ready to snap the ball as soon as the refs allowed us to. Ole Miss ran the same play 2 years ago. There was no deception. No leaving the field and sneaking back on. No "hiding". No trying to hide that player by running others on and off. We didn't substitute on that play.

Also, the game is not played in a vacuum. If OU gets flagged there and doesn't score, or kicks a field goal, the rest of the game plays out differently. It doesn't go exactly how it did from then on. Suggesting it would.....I don't know, I'll be nice, it's just silly.

 

[WichitaSooner]

lol, what?

I don't care what the SEC says, OU didn't break a rule on that play. Our player never acted like he was going to leave the game. He simply lined up wide, checked with the ref, and we were ready to snap the ball as soon as the refs allowed us to. Ole Miss ran the same play 2 years ago. There was no deception. No leaving the field and sneaking back on. No "hiding". No trying to hide that player by running others on and off. We didn't substitute on that play.

Also, the game is not played in a vacuum. If OU gets flagged there and doesn't score, or kicks a field goal, the rest of the game plays out differently. It doesn't go exactly how it did from then on. Suggesting it would.....I don't know, I'll be nice, it's just silly.

I agree it’s not played in a vacuum. But we would have been in second and a mile if they called it properly, and the odds of getting more than a field goal would have been remote at best. There is no way of knowing for certain how the game plays out, but one thing I do know is that if that happens in reverse and we were the team victimized, the fan base would be complaining for weeks. I mean, in a game where points were very hard to come by, getting 7 on a missed call is a pretty big deal.

As for whether it should have been a penalty, every single rules analyst I’ve heard discuss it has said it was an illegal play. Do you think any conference would ever want to publicly admit screwing up unless there was no question they blew the call? It doesn’t matter if we actually substituted. And if the ref did signal that the play was legal, that doesn’t change the fact that they were wrong.

 

[Boom Soon]

And if the refs didn’t blow a basic rule interpretation, our offense wouldn’t have reached 20 yesterday, either. As far as the DBs, we are a third of the way into the season now and haven’t gotten a turnover. This might just be something we have to have to deal with all season.

If you’re taking about OU’s first td that was absolutely NOT an illegal play.