Football question

[daqman]

I think BV will be around next year. With so many high profile jobs open, it will turn into a bidding war for coaches. OU will most likely not end up with tier one or tier 2 coach. Next year would have a better shot at an established coach.

we have never been in the market competing for coaches with other top schools. we've never gone after the hot coach at the mid major.
as u know.....schnellenburger was the only head coach we've hired in 50+ years.
i would bet penn st/florida/lsu will all hire coaches that we wouldn't even consider.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I actually agree with most of your sentiment here. A&M has next level money and had a ton of talent on that roster that made the transition easier for Elko. Credit to Elko for turning that into wins. Florida will be a good stalking horse because I feel they have similar money pool as Oklahoma. And Florida has a worst administration as it stands right now. Only reason Stricklin isn't fired is because Todd Golden is a good coach and has avoided his allegations (for now).

I do think Penn State will be average or bad next year (7-5 or worse), that was going to happen if Franklin was there or not. Part of that reason they fired him this year, they were going to take a step back regardless of who is the coach.

agree with most of this .. except .. if penn st makes a good hire .. they are winning 10 game next season .. they have a joke of a schedule .

 

[hoopsaustin]

We aren't A&M, but we aren't poor. Heck, one of the main reasons we moved to the SEC, in addition to thinking our football program belonged in the best league, was because of the money that would come with the move. We don't have unlimited money, of course, but moving on from a failed hire needs to be the biggest priority in deciding how to spend it. I would much rather spend money on getting the right coach than on a couple players who will be here for a year or two, may or may not pan out (see: Ott and Mateer), and then move on.

As far as who to hire, this is where you need to hope your AD/committee are smart enough to identify the right man for the job. I've read a lot about the Tulane coach this week and he intrigues me. Elko wasn't exactly a guy with experience as a head coach at blueblood football programs. Our two most recent coaches before Brent were young coaches without head coaching experience. There isn't one formula for hiring a successful coach, which is part of the reason it is so tough to get it right. But there are definitely guys out there. And with money being such a huge part of what attracts recruits these days, I think it is more important than ever to find an excellent Xs and Os coach. Recruiting still matters to a degree, obviously. And maybe there are a handful of players who care about the SOUL mission (makes me laugh just typing it), but players want to get paid, win, and go to the next level. Brent isn't winning, in large part because he isn't a good game coach and makes bad personnel decisions. He hasn't been putting guys in the NFL since he became a head coach. I don't care if the next coach "wins the press conference." Give me someone who can give us a tactical edge on Saturdays, who will pay attention to all three phases of the game, and who will put together a good staff from day one.

A "couple of players..."? You think you'd only get 2 players with $36.325 million? Thats an entire starting D and O giving every single one of them at least 1 million dollars, which is not the market price.....

I'm not a BV guy, but you gotta look at yourself in the mirror and attempt to be reasonable/objective. You used to be reasonable. You can't just blow off 36 mil, unless you can sue Joe castiglione for half of that bc hes a true moron lol

 

[hoopsaustin]

cignetti is an old guy who iu was dumb enough to pay over $90mil. bad plan/model imo.

Dumb?

IU is about to get PAIDDDDD if cignetti leaves which is prolly 50/50 and the team i am talking about him leaving from is IU, one of the worst teams in D1 history.

OR, they are about to keep a coach that made the playoffs 2x at IU... IU I don't think ever made consecutive bowl games before Kevin Wilson did it, if I remember correctly (or it had been like 20-30 years)

WE HAVEN'T EVEN MADE THE NEW PLAYOFFS YETTTTTT!

Your take is WILD

 

[Boom Soon]

A "couple of players..."? You think you'd only get 2 players with $36.325 million? Thats an entire starting D and O giving every single one of them 1 million dollars, which is not the market price.....

I'm not a BV guy, but you gotta look at yourself in the mirror and attempt to be reasonable/objective. You used to be reasonable. You can't just blow off 36 mil, unless you can sue Joe castiglione for half of that bc hes a true moron lol

What you said, and then he randomly brings up the SOUL mission again. Like it’s a bad thing. Idk what the SOUL mission has to do with any of this unless we appreciate the fact that Brent takes special care to make sure the dudes are becoming better humans. We all have our hills to die on but it’s weird he chooses to rag on the SOUL mission

 

[hoopsaustin]

What you said, and then he randomly brings up the SOUL mission again. Like it’s a bad thing. Idk what the SOUL mission has to do with any of this unless we appreciate the fact that Brent takes special care to make sure the dudes are becoming better humans. We all have our hills to die on but it’s weird he chooses to rag on the SOUL mission

Its Wichita's coping mechanism to latch onto a silly culture thing or tick of a person if we arent winning conference championships..

I'm starting to get worried about wichita, but honestly, I get it bc he has had to live in Kansas so long (my baby bro just had to move there for work RIP). Can we start a gofundme to move Wichita down here to OKC or at least tulsa?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Its Wichita's coping mechanism to latch onto a silly culture thing or tick of a person if we arent winning conference championships..

I'm starting to get worried about wichita, but honestly, I get it bc he has had to live in Kansas so long (my baby bro just had to move there for work RIP). Can we start a gofundme to move Wichita down here to OKC or at least tulsa?

No thanks. I’ll pass on living in a state with horrible education and that only recently escaped from the bigot who is Ryan Walters.

 

[WichitaSooner]

A "couple of players..."? You think you'd only get 2 players with $36.325 million? Thats an entire starting D and O giving every single one of them at least 1 million dollars, which is not the market price.....

I'm not a BV guy, but you gotta look at yourself in the mirror and attempt to be reasonable/objective. You used to be reasonable. You can't just blow off 36 mil, unless you can sue Joe castiglione for half of that bc hes a true moron lol

So to clarify, your position is that if we don't fire Brent, we will be able to wisely spend every penny on quality, starting level players? Wow. That would be great. If they all are as productive as Ott and our bottom-of-the-SEC QB, you're totally right -- we will be in the playoff in no time!

 

[daqman]

Dumb?

IU is about to get PAIDDDDD if cignetti leaves which is prolly 50/50 and the team i am talking about him leaving from is IU, one of the worst teams in D1 history.

OR, they are about to keep a coach that made the playoffs 2x at IU... IU I don't think ever made consecutive bowl games before Kevin Wilson did it, if I remember correctly (or it had been like 20-30 years)

WE HAVEN'T EVEN MADE THE NEW PLAYOFFS YETTTTTT!

Your take is WILD

so a 65 year old coach who hasn't won a playoff game.....hasn't won a conference championship.....has earned a $90mil+ contract?
what does he have to do in the future to continue earning it?
my prediction is that iu will regret it....bigly.
time will tell

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So to clarify, your position is that if we don't fire Brent, we will be able to wisely spend every penny on quality, starting level players? Wow. That would be great. If they all are as productive as Ott and our bottom-of-the-SEC QB, you're totally right -- we will be in the playoff in no time!

gosh you are insufferable

 

[hoopsaustin]

No thanks. I’ll pass on living in a state with horrible education and that only recently escaped from the bigot who is Ryan Walters.

That education blurb i read inherently on every facebook comment in oklahoma is always funny to me.

What's the methodology (some include points in the "good education" column for including political indoctrination - no thanks, ill take the "bad" score for that)?
Whats the deviation from say 49/50th to like 25th?
Its a bunch of garbage imo so I'm not that worried about it. But okay

 

[hoopsaustin]

So to clarify, your position is that if we don't fire Brent, we will be able to wisely spend every penny on quality, starting level players? Wow. That would be great. If they all are as productive as Ott and our bottom-of-the-SEC QB, you're totally right -- we will be in the playoff in no time!

Do you shoot a mountable buck every time you go hunting?

Ott sucks and it was an eval fail, but okay. It happens.

So to clarify, your positions are that we either must hit 100% on portals or that we should have 36 mil LESS money to do our portal recruiting with? WILD

 

[hoopsaustin]

so a 65 year old coach who hasn't won a playoff game.....hasn't won a conference championship.....has earned a $90mil+ contract?
what does he have to do in the future to continue earning it?
my prediction is that iu will regret it....bigly.
time will tell

Ageist of you lol

Yes. He has. Playoff appearance... at IU. Yes, absolutely. He might be THE BEST COACH in the game right now, you know that right?

Not my burden to layout IU's demands of Cig, but I bet if he goes 7-8ish wins a year, he could coach at IU forever imo. But hes done better than that and now mark Cuban, an alum, is looking to donate... IU might be around for awhile.

IU has NOTHING TO LOSE. They've never been in this position before. They could ultimately replace OU's position in college football history in 100 years for all we know (or before tackle football gets outlawed in favor of flag football).

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That education blurb i read inherently on every facebook comment in oklahoma is always funny to me.

What's the methodology (some include points in the "good education" column for including political indoctrination - no thanks, ill take the "bad" score for that)?
Whats the deviation from say 49/50th to like 25th?
Its a bunch of garbage imo so I'm not that worried about it. But okay

A big chunk is funding and a big chunk is ACT/SAT scores.
Oklahoma makes every senior take the ACT or SAT...hence our scores are lower.
The states that rank highest only have a small percentage of their students take the test.

If you look back to before Oklahoma required the testing, we were middle of the pack in testing scores

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Ageist of you lol

Yes. He has. Playoff appearance... at IU. Yes, absolutely. He might be THE BEST COACH in the game right now, you know that right?

Not my burden to layout IU's demands of Cig, but I bet if he goes 7-8ish wins a year, he could coach at IU forever imo. But hes done better than that and now mark Cuban, an alum, is looking to donate... IU might be around for awhile.

IU has NOTHING TO LOSE. They've never been in this position before. They could ultimately replace OU's position in college football history in 100 years for all we know (or before tackle football gets outlawed in favor of flag football).

Dude has been a winner every he has been. If we move on from BV, I'd take him in a heart beat

 

[stormspencer]

BV is here next year even if we go 7-5 (we will at least beat floundering LSU I believe). I think a more interesting question is whether or not BV would be considered a candidate for any open job of a top 30 or top 35 school. Would he even make a top 3 list for any of those schools? I think we know the answer. And that is what is the most sobering aspect to him being our head man. No program worth their salt would want him except to run their defense.

 

[mict085]

Wichita acts like a child. He doesn’t like the coach? Fire him whatever the cost. A&M paid the largest buyout ever and it worked out for them so OU should be fine. What a buffoon.

Yes, OU has money but we should be smart about it. A&M isn’t an example to follow for anything. LSU has a billionaire donor that pays for everything too. We don’t. We do have wealthy donors but we have to be smart about how we do things unlike some of these other schools.

If the season falls apart and someone steps up to pay the buyout, then we do it. If we get to 8-4, Brent gets another year and if next season isn’t up to standard, he will be gone for sure.

Also, Brent is a good coach so the idea that he totally sucks and no amount of talent will help him win is just…so ridiculously stupid and disingenuous. It’s really beneath you Wichita.

Ed O was a horrible head coach but he overdosed on talent and won a national title. There are many other coaches that have won big despite their shortcomings because of talent. You can absolutely overcome some coaching deficiencies with talent. You will never overcome the talent disparity in the SEC with coaching. Ever. You might win some games you shouldn’t, but you won’t win them all.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Wichita acts like a child. He doesn’t like the coach? Fire him whatever the cost. A&M paid the largest buyout ever and it worked out for them so OU should be fine. What a buffoon.

Yes, OU has money but we should be smart about it. A&M isn’t an example to follow for anything. LSU has a billionaire donor that pays for everything too. We don’t. We do have wealthy donors but we have to be smart about how we do things unlike some of these other schools.

If the season falls apart and someone steps up to pay the buyout, then we do it. If we get to 8-4, Brent gets another year and if next season isn’t up to standard, he will be gone for sure.

Also, Brent is a good coach so the idea that he totally sucks and no amount of talent will help him win is just…so ridiculously stupid and disingenuous. It’s really beneath you Wichita.

Ed O was a horrible head coach but he overdosed on talent and won a national title. There are many other coaches that have won big despite their shortcomings because of talent. You can absolutely overcome some coaching deficiencies with talent. You will never overcome the talent disparity in the SEC with coaching. Ever. You might win some games you shouldn’t, but you won’t win them all.

What possible evidence do you have that Brent is a good coach? Other than your subjective belief and pointing to our defense? Again, let’s remind ourselves: Brent Venables is our HEAD coach. He isn’t being paid a couple millions dollars a year to coach our defense. He is responsible for offense, defense, special teams, calling timeouts, game management, wins and losses, recruiting, putting guys in the NFL, etc. At what parts of the job has he succeeded?

Also, very classy that you and a couple others on the board can’t disagree with me without calling me names. The irony is that you accuse me of “hating” Brent. I don’t know him. He is a complete stranger. Don’t have any more feelings about him than I do any random person I pass on the street. You, on the other hand, very clearly feel the need for personal attacks against me simply because you don’t agree with my opinions on our coach. I guess hating someone with a different perspective is pretty much par for the course these days.

 

[mict085]

What possible evidence do you have that Brent is a good coach? Other than your subjective belief and pointing to our defense? Again, let’s remind ourselves: Brent Venables is our HEAD coach. He isn’t being paid a couple millions dollars a year to coach our defense. He is responsible for offense, defense, special teams, calling timeouts, game management, wins and losses, recruiting, putting guys in the NFL, etc. At what parts of the job has he succeeded?

Also, very classy that you and a couple others on the board can’t disagree with me without calling me names. The irony is that you accuse me of “hating” Brent. I don’t know him. He is a complete stranger. Don’t have any more feelings about him than I do any random person I pass on the street. You, on the other hand, very clearly feel the need for personal attacks against me simply because you don’t agree with my opinions on our coach. I guess hating someone with a different perspective is pretty much par for the course these days.

You said it’s more important than ever to find a good X’s and O’s coach. That is Brent. He’s an excellent coach and has been a winner at an elite level everywhere he’s been.

The only name I called you was buffoon because you act like a buffoon and you have a childish demeanor.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You said it’s more important than ever to find a good X’s and O’s coach. That is Brent. He’s an excellent coach and has been a winner at an elite level everywhere he’s been.

The only name I called you was buffoon because you act like a buffoon and you have a childish demeanor.

This is his only head coaching job and he’s under .500 against conference opponents and right at .500 overall or maybe a game under against all power conference opponents. That’s elite? I didn’t realize he gets credit for the wins that he was part of as a DC. So by that theory, Grinch was a great coach when he was here because the program won double digit games and made the playoff more often that not? There are hundreds of examples of coaches at the pro and college level in every sport who were great as assistants but clearly not up to the challenge of being a head coach. The jobs are completely different. You have one specific job as an assistant, even as a coordinator. The head coach makes a million decisions every day that coordinators don’t have to make.

I bet if you polled every coach in college football anonymously about Brent and they have honest answers, there wouldn’t be a single one who would label him a good game day coach. They’d absolutely praise his defense, but his game management? His decision making? His feel for the flow of a game? Even his absolute biggest supporters in the OU media point out the uncanny ability his teams have to shoot themselves in the foot in close games, and how sloppy and undisciplined they are.