Football question

WichitaSooner said:
He will be the first defensive player Brent has brought to OU in four years to be drafted, and he is one guy. Championship teams have multiple high picks and usually at least one first rounder.
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you mean the first class brought in under brent (in a short recruiting period) is going to have guys get drafted sounds great .. did you want recruits from him drafted as freshman or sophomores ..


also not the first guy brent brought to OU drafted on Defense
 
WichitaSooner said:
He will be the first defensive player Brent has brought to OU in four years to be drafted, and he is one guy. Championship teams have multiple high picks and usually at least one first rounder.
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Prove it. You are nitpicking Oklahoma defense, and doing so making pretty big statements. The burden is on you to provide the proof. How many dudes were drafted from Ohio State last year? Basing it off your standard, I’m looking for multiple high draft picks and one first rounder. And I’m only looking at the defensive side of the ball. We all know the offensive side of the ball has been a mess the last couple years.
 
BoulderSooner said:
you mean the first class brought in under brent (in a short recruiting period) is going to have guys get drafted sounds great .. did you want recruits from him drafted as freshman or sophomores ..


also not the first guy brent brought to OU drafted on Defense
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A huge chunk of recruiting is the portal. He has had three, now four, cracks at the portal.
 
Boom Soon said:
Prove it. You are nitpicking Oklahoma defense, and doing so making pretty big statements. The burden is on you to provide the proof. How many dudes were drafted from Ohio State last year? Basing it off your standard, I’m looking for multiple high draft picks and one first rounder. And I’m only looking at the defensive side of the ball. We all know the offensive side of the ball has been a mess the last couple years.
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OSU had 15 guys drafted last year, eight on defense including one in the first round.

Michigan had 13 drafted the previous year, six on defense including two in the first 50 picks.
Several more guys off that team were drafted the next year, including two defensive players in the top 13 picks.

Georgia had 15 guys drafted off their first title team and 10 off the team that won it the next year. Five first round defensive picks between the two years.

And btw, just because “everyone knows our offense has been bad the past few years” doesn’t mean Brent gets a free pass on that. My original post was that Thomas is the only guy on our entire roster listed in the top 50 and that we need to do a better job recruiting and developing. You guys are the ones who tried to narrow the conversation to the defense. But if you want to play in that sandbox, feel free. I just gave you plenty of proof that we are still light years behind the teams that win titles. Which, last I checked, should be the goal at OU. We are not Indiana. We shouldn’t be pumped beyond belief to make a 12-team playoff.


Indiana has a qb projected in the top 10. Multiple guys from many of the teams ahead of us in the playoff rankings.
 
I get what Wichita is saying because in today's college football world, you need future NFL talent to win a National Championship. OU only had to win 2-3 big games when winning their 7 National Championships. Going forward, it will require winning 6, 7 or 8 of them...not going to do it without NFL talent.

That said, the reason some of you may disagree is due to OU's very interesting past history of winning championships. People used to ask me about all those OU players during their 1950s dynasty and thought they would be littered with future NFL greats. I would tell them we had one NFL Hall of Famer, a couple of good NFL players and that was it. By the time OU won their 7th National Championship, there were at least 20 college football programs which had produced better NFL talent through the years. Unlike a school such as USC, OU built winners through their system and style of play...but that was then and this is now. It's a different world.
 
WaymanFan said:
I get what Wichita is saying because in today's college football world, you need future NFL talent to win a National Championship. OU only had to win 2-3 big games when winning their 7 National Championships. Going forward, it will require winning 6, 7 or 8 of them...not going to do it without NFL talent.

That said, the reason some of you may disagree is due to OU's very interesting past history of winning championships. People used to ask me about all those OU players during their 1950s dynasty and thought they would be littered with future NFL greats. I would tell them we had one NFL Hall of Famer, a couple of good NFL players and that was it. By the time OU won their 7th National Championship, there were at least 20 college football programs which had produced better NFL talent through the years. Unlike a school such as USC, OU built winners through their system and style of play...but that was then and this is now. It's a different world.
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You couldn't make a ton in football till maybe the late 80s for most players. Tommy McDonald had a hall of fame career and probably made like 10k a year maybe a bit over 20k for his best years. Which wasn't bad money then but it was still not extremely wealthy like you would be for even an average NFL player now. The money didn't start to go way up in the NFL till after the lockout/strikes/USFL era in the late 80s to early 90s and TV deals specifically with Fox in the mid 90s ballooned salaries.

Most of the players on those 50s through 80s made way more money outside of football.
 
WaymanFan said:
I get what Wichita is saying because in today's college football world, you need future NFL talent to win a National Championship. OU only had to win 2-3 big games when winning their 7 National Championships. Going forward, it will require winning 6, 7 or 8 of them...not going to do it without NFL talent.

That said, the reason some of you may disagree is due to OU's very interesting past history of winning championships. People used to ask me about all those OU players during their 1950s dynasty and thought they would be littered with future NFL greats. I would tell them we had one NFL Hall of Famer, a couple of good NFL players and that was it. By the time OU won their 7th National Championship, there were at least 20 college football programs which had produced better NFL talent through the years. Unlike a school such as USC, OU built winners through their system and style of play...but that was then and this is now. It's a different world.
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Well said. I think you’d have to go back many, many years to find a champion that didn’t have a bunch of guys drafted. It’s extremely difficult to do. Teams without many draft picks can have good seasons. Great, even. But they almost inevitably run into a team stacked with guys who will play on Sundays and that’s where it ends.
 
BoulderSooner said:
OU starts 1 transfer on Defense ..

next year they likely will start 0
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Damonic Williams is a transfer. So it's 2. I bet they try to find a safety or another Cheetah in the portal next year. I'm sure they also look for a rotational DT to portal in. They will lose a ton of experience with Halton and Williams basically getting starter snaps the last 2+ years.
 
NickZepp said:
Damonic Williams is a transfer. So it's 2. I bet they try to find a safety or another Cheetah in the portal next year. I'm sure they also look for a rotational DT to portal in. They will lose a ton of experience with Halton and Williams basically getting starter snaps the last 2+ years.
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he no longer starts

edit or i should say he hasn't the last few games .. (but really as you said there are 4 starters at DT )
 
NickZepp said:
Damonic Williams is a transfer. So it's 2. I bet they try to find a safety or another Cheetah in the portal next year. I'm sure they also look for a rotational DT to portal in. They will lose a ton of experience with Halton and Williams basically getting starter snaps the last 2+ years.
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depends on what they think of wilson and smith ..

strong is now a pretty proven guy as the 5th man to be the 3rd guy next year ... if they believe in wilson and smith they won't get a portal DT
 
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