Do you think it’s because of OU’s loyalty or because the days of actually competing for spots are over? Like the staff doesn’t think they can get someone in who’s willing to compete?
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Well hopefully he atleast takes a pay cut and that money can be used elsewhere.
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Its all about $$$. Idk what mateer's bribery contract ("nil") states, whether its multi-year or what. But the BMDs my friend talks to right now don't want to spend the money for a top shelf QB prospect for next year so long as we have mateer.. maybe we get lucky like Ole miss and chambliss and hit on a random flier. But unless mateer leaves, it'll be mateer in 2026. Hopefully we talked about getting some $$$ back but I doubt that's really a viable thing
Thanks for sharing!
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I would have been thrilled with 10-2 at the start of the season and still am. The season as a whole has been a huge success. My frustration is with the offense, and what I see as a lack of improvement. But I will also say, Auburn, South Carolina, and LSU all ended up being much worse than expected. And since no one this season seems unbeatable, it feels like we would have a real chance to make noise in the playoff if we just had a decent offense. That’s why I feel like we may look back on the season as a missed opportunity if we end up getting bounced because our offense just can’t function.I think a lot of that has to do with the type of sports fan one is or isn't. For me, looking at our schedule, I was expecting 8-4 and hoping for 9-3. To go 10-2 has me more or less frolicking in daisies so I'm willing to let most anything go. I don't think Mateer's been very good, I remember Heisman talk after Michigan and Auburn somewhere in this thread and it floored me, but he's the unquestioned offensive leader of a team that has far exceeded my expectations. So while there are lots of things about his play that drives me bananas, I can also check back into big-time runs he made in our victories that helps paint a rosier picture of his performance.
To each his own. Mateer seems like a really good kid. I had my fill of all the circus surrounding Arnold pretty early last year, and I felt like the program took a few hits by bending over backward to please his family. But that team found ways to lose, so there's nothing there to produce a smile when I go to the memory bank.
To close this rambling missive, let me just say that a great defense always gives you a chance. 17-13 wins are much easier on the eyes than a 50-48 shootout. Let's just get the running game going a little bit.
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Arnold did go from a 47 qbr to a 57 qbr.
I'd take a 10 qbr job for mateer over the offseason...
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The disappointing thing to me is the message this sends the locker room. I know guys like Mateer, or at least that’s what it looks like from the outside. But on the other hand, every other player on the team has to compete for his spot. If we don’t even try to bring in a good portal quarterback, it basically means the staff is deciding months in advance that Mateer is the starter, even though his play hasn’t warranted that kind of deference. Because let’s face it, Hawkins isn’t viable competition even if he sticks around (and I doubt he will), and there is little chance this staff would consider playing a true freshman next season. So we will probably sign a low level transfer to replace Hawk if he leaves, and our entire season will rely on Mateer improving significantly.
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You are just showing your lack of understanding of the position as it relates to NIL and such in today's game.
We have a fairly highly rated HS QB that will be on campus next year. We had a guy that probably would have been the main backup that transferred out over the Summer (reminds me I should go look and see how he did). What exactly do you want the staff to do? Mateer's contract is rumored to have been for two years. It's pretty high dollar. We have other needs. We can't pay a backup QB $3M to come in and maybe be better. What "good" QB is going to come here without getting a massive contract (and even then might not)? You bring somebody in, then you are paying WAY too much to the QB room. Or you make Bentley mad and he leaves.
Take a look around the country. This isn't 10 years ago with all of the high flying offenses (at least not at the power schools). The game has shifted back to defense and a ball control offense. ESPECIALLY in the SEC, but I'd say that is true to a large extent around the country at the P4 level. Spare me the few examples you can find where that isn't true. But again, look at the top teams, how many of them have stud QB's? You do realize QB play around the country is down, right? Please tell me how good the UGA and Bama QB's are? Please tell me how did the stud, can't miss QB from LSU did before he got benched? Or talk to me about the can't miss guys that you all would have traded Mateer for in a heart beat before in the season in Sellers and Lagway? What ranking is Pavia's team about to get in the CFP?
Most mock drafts and prospect rankings still have Mateer easily inside the top 10 of draftable QB's this year. That is ALL you need to know about the state of QB play in today's college game.
Mateer doesn't play in a box. What other's do on offense directly impact him as well. The OL needs to be better. The WR's need to be better. The RB's and running game need to be better. We need an actual TE that looks like he has played football before. Improve some of those things, even if just a little, and Mateer only needs to improve a little himself for the offense as a whole to do MUCH better.
There might be 2-3 teams in the country that we could have a hard time beating right now. It might just be one. The objective is to build a championship team. We won our last NC 13-2. We won the last game of that regular season 12-7. It doesn't matter how you win games.
I'd rather throw myself onto a busy highway than come to a message board EVERY DAY and complain non-stop about my favorite college football team and favorite college basketball team. If I hated them that much, I'd simply walk away. I'll never understand the need to show up daily and spew ignorance and nit pick a team to death.
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Let me clarify this before somebody jumps in there and takes it wrong. There might only be a couple of teams in the country that we'd have to play a perfect game to beat. Pretty much some combination of our play against Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, Bama, Mizzou, and LSU is good enough to stay in a game with anybody in the country except maybe tOSU. That's the only team if we were matched up again, I'd say they are likely close to 100% going to beat us. Maybe Indiana, but I'm not ready to say that just yet.
aTm had been undefeated and a top 4 team. They aren't scary. TT is a good team, but they don't scare me. UGA isn't great. We've beaten Bama. We can beat Ole Miss (especially this stripped down version). Oregon? I mean, they needed OT to beat Penn State and only beat Iowa by 2. OU is better than both of those teams.
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Your lack of self awareness is staggering. You have been bashing the basketball program as vociferously as I have. The difference is I didn’t start till Moser showed up and proved he isn’t the man for the job. You were complaining long before then. So you lecturing me or anyone else to step away is rich. You like Brent. You don’t like Moser. Other people have different opinions. Deal with it.
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I've never been on here every day spewing hate like you do. NEVER.
I won't apologize for being right about Capel before most were, and growing tired of Lon before most were. I never liked the Moser hire, but I think I literally didn't post a single thing on this board for the first 2-3 months of the season last year. Show me where you've ever done that? Show me where the basketball team has had seasons comparable to this football team, and where I was outwardly bashing them every day, non-stop? You can't. Because a) the basketball team really hasn't had many season like that over the years (a couple, probably), and b) I refuse to show up EVERY DAY and act that way. It's silly.
I laid out a pretty well thought out, factual post about a) how we can't just go grab another high ceiling Portal QB, and b) why I think we can stick with Mateer and still have an acceptable offense next year that is improved from this year's, and you don't want to have that discussion.
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More than happy to have the conversation. You asked what I thought our staff should do. The answer is, they should try, for a change, to properly evaluate and develop a QB. He had Gabriel and ran him off because he thought Arnold was better and was afraid of losing him. Massive miss in evaluation. Then they failed to hire a QB coach or do anything to help Arnold develop. They have also failed to develop Hawkins into a passable SEC quarterback, despite the typical offseason talk about how great he looked and how he would start for all but 15 or so teams in the country. Brought in Mateer and his OC, but Mateer hasn't played well (I know, his hand was amputated and it takes decades to adjust to that). The answer now shouldn't be to simply hope that Mateer makes massive strides going into his fifth season. They should be active in the portal. If that means recruiting over Mateer, so be it. You say we have "other needs." Sure, we do, because the entire offense lacks talent. But I think it is pretty well accepted that QB is the most important position on the field. There are usually tons of good WRs and RBs available (although we never seem capable of finding them and/or developing them). I'd much rather the staff make QB the main emphasis, and then spread the remaining money around the rest of the offense.
You don't watch much football, do you? We are watching so many QBs in the NFL hit peak performance in their late 20s after being being written off (Daniel Jones, Darnold, Baker, Herbert).
We've also seen numerous COVID year players reach a new level as a 5th or 6th year starter. In fact the game was dominated by COVID year QBs for a couple years.
As with most of your opinions, the data does not even remotely support the notion that QBs peak at age 21.
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So you are citing guys who were first overall picks or close thereto in comparison to John Mateer? And Dillon Gabriel, who had multiple really good college seasons before his Heisman finalist season? And lumping in Mateer, who played one decent season at a non-power conference school, struggled against good teams in that season, and has now thrown nearly as many INTs and TDs in his first OU season?
It's amazing that I spoonfeed you data and you still aren't able to understand it. I'm not sure I can dumb this down enough for you, but I'll quickly try:
Jayden Daniels had started for 4 years and never recorded a passer rating above 150. He then utilized a COVID year due to not getting NFL interest, posted a passe rating over 200, and then became a top 5 pick.
Same story for Nix. Passer rating of 130 or lower in 3 years as an SEC starter. Then 165 at Oregon, followed by an additional COVID year where he had 188 rating and was a Heisman finalist with the above example.
Get the picture? These guys had twice as many years as starters and still had breakthroughs in 6th years that were only an option because of COVID.
So to the question regarding can a 21 year year old QB improve significantly, the answer is obviously yes.
