Football question

[Sooner04]

It's a whole new world in terms of "perception" in college football. Growing up, ND always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt. To get the boot is shocking. I don't mind it, mainly because they're scum, but it's still shocking. I'm sure the powers that be will get together in the off-season at some exotic locale and re-write the rules to prevent teams like Tulane and JM from ever making it again in tandem.

 

[mict085]

It's a whole new world in terms of "perception" in college football. Growing up, ND always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt. To get the boot is shocking. I don't mind it, mainly because they're scum, but it's still shocking. I'm sure the powers that be will get together in the off-season at some exotic locale and re-write the rules to prevent teams like Tulane and JM from ever making it again in tandem.

I think this will be the catalyst (and excuse) for playoff expansion. They will expand because the greed cannot be satisfied. It’s all about money.

 

[WichitaSooner]

The playoff was going to expand regardless. The current format is silly. It makes sense in the basketball tourney to allow at large bids from all conferences because there are 68 teams. In that big a field, every team that deserves to make the field gets it. If you aren’t one of the 35 or so best at large teams, tough. But in a 12-team format, wasting auto bids on teams that have no chance to win the championship, or even advance a couple rounds, is dumb. If the SEC and Big 10 can agree on anything, it’ll go to 16 teams sooner than later. But it is annoying that we will likely have two boring first round games again.

As for ND, setting aside the debate about them and Miami, the issue is that if you continue to refuse to join a conference, and only play a handful of decent teams in a season, you can’t afford to lose to the two best teams on your schedule, even if you are a huge brand that generates huge ratings. I think the committee messes a lot of things up, but respect them for not just giving them a bid for ratings purposes.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I think this will be the catalyst (and excuse) for playoff expansion. They will expand because the greed cannot be satisfied. It’s all about money.

This and bowls are soon to die out. Like 1 more season away probably (except for smaller teams, likely outside of the top 25ish)

 

[WTSooner]

This and bowls are soon to die out. Like 1 more season away probably (except for smaller teams, likely outside of the top 25ish)

I've been saying this for a while now, but here are some things that need to happen:

1. Keep the CFP, but get rid of the G5 teams. They may not need to expand if they do that, but if they do, maybe just to 16. I like the first round byes though, and I like conference championships actually meaning something (bye?).

2. Get rid of the bowl games and consider having an NIT type Playoff for teams 17-25/30. Those would take the place of bowl games. Advertisement dollars from bowl games could shift here, so that money isn't lost.

3. I know it would require changing the organization of college football, but the G5 teams need their own Playoff. Those teams aren't going to win in the current format, so I don't know why they would be against it.

Pay the players for wins in the post season. That should come from the NCAA. If you are in good standing on the roster and willing to play (not sitting out to protect draft status, etc), you get paid if your team wins.

 

[WTSooner]

Oh, and because I wasn't around yesterday (traveling to Vegas), suck it to the BV haters. Playoffs in year 2 of the SEC. It's been a fantastic season!!!

 

[daqman]

Oh, and because I wasn't around yesterday (traveling to Vegas), suck it to the BV haters. Playoffs in year 2 of the SEC. It's been a fantastic season!!!

not that i've ever been a bv "hater".....but i'm very happy he got us to the playoffs.
but he's responsible for both sides of the ball.....he really needs to take steps necessary to fix the offense.
it will make his job easier if he does.

 

[WichitaSooner]

not that i've ever been a bv "hater".....but i'm very happy he got us to the playoffs.
but he's responsible for both sides of the ball.....he really needs to take steps necessary to fix the offense.
it will make his job easier if he does.

It gets tiring when posters suggest that other posters are somehow not happy when our teams do well. I think Moser is a terrible coach and I think Brent has lots of flaws. I also hope both guys win every damn game they coach for OU. WT is going down the Coach path when he gloats and acts like people who have been critical aren't pleased when the program wins.

And as for your point about the offense, I would encourage the people who like to cherry pick certain metrics to argue that the offense isn't that bad to consider the following from ESPN (since that is where some posters like to get their advanced stats): our offense is 87th in success rate (111th rushing), 89th in points per drive, and 95th in yards per play. And Mateer is 104th in QBR in completion percentage on passes 20 or more yards downfield -- they specifically note that was an issue before his hand was severed from his body. As the ESPN article says, we struggle like crazy to score even though we have been very good in the red zone. They use the word "dreadful" multiple times to describe the offense.

So, two things can be true: we call all want the best and hope they win, while admitting the offense has been awful, not mediocre or decent as some have argued. Just like we should all be able to see and admit that the basketball team plays a bad noncon schedule and has played terrible defense. Acknowledging those things doesn't make one a bad fan or mean they are rooting for the team to fail.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I heard that Thomas had something else happen that has delayed his return. Anyone know what now?

 

[Eielson]

I heard that Thomas had something else happen that has delayed his return. Anyone know what now?

He got rolled up on the sideline at Bama.

 

[cbertus6]

It gets tiring when posters suggest that other posters are somehow not happy when our teams do well. I think Moser is a terrible coach and I think Brent has lots of flaws. I also hope both guys win every damn game they coach for OU. WT is going down the Coach path when he gloats and acts like people who have been critical aren't pleased when the program wins.

And as for your point about the offense, I would encourage the people who like to cherry pick certain metrics to argue that the offense isn't that bad to consider the following from ESPN (since that is where some posters like to get their advanced stats): our offense is 87th in success rate (111th rushing), 89th in points per drive, and 95th in yards per play. And Mateer is 104th in QBR in completion percentage on passes 20 or more yards downfield -- they specifically note that was an issue before his hand was severed from his body. As the ESPN article says, we struggle like crazy to score even though we have been very good in the red zone. They use the word "dreadful" multiple times to describe the offense.

So, two things can be true: we call all want the best and hope they win, while admitting the offense has been awful, not mediocre or decent as some have argued. Just like we should all be able to see and admit that the basketball team plays a bad noncon schedule and has played terrible defense. Acknowledging those things doesn't make one a bad fan or mean they are rooting for the team to fail.

The offense has not lived up to expectations, no doubt. I think the thing that is promising to me - at least for the future - is that upon rewatches we do have guys running open. There are plays there to be made. Our QB just hasn't seen the field well. A lot of that is on him, and some of it also falls on BA as well. After all, it is his job to coach his players on how to read the field. The play designs are all there though and with better execution we could hit big on a number of them. Hell we've seen it once or twice a game it feels like where Mateer actually hits his read in stride and BAM there's a monster play out of nowhere.

I think Mateer has a little too much of the "hero ball" mentality in him. If he'd just run through his progressions and make the simple/easy throws and reads I think the offense would actually hit bigger plays. I know I'm not a coach or anything, but I do have a pretty extensive knowledge of the game just from learning and watching coaching philosophy videos over the years. All that said, the run game is a mystery to me right now. Not even going to act like I know what is going on there.

 

[mict085]

RMT is good to go, allegedly. Hammy or quad muscle injury can be tricky though. I hope he still has the explosiveness and is his old self.

 

[Eielson]

And as for your point about the offense, I would encourage the people who like to cherry pick certain metrics to argue that the offense isn't that bad to consider

^He starts by saying not to cherry pick stats...

the following from ESPN (since that is where some posters like to get their advanced stats): our offense is 87th in success rate (111th rushing), 89th in points per drive, and 95th in yards per play. And Mateer is 104th in QBR in completion percentage on passes 20 or more yards downfield

And then proceeds to ignore that Mateer's QBR is 47th in the country. Instead he only lists the worst subset of plays for the season to push a narrative that stats simply don't support.

That's the definition of cherry picking. You can't make this up!

 

[WichitaSooner]

^He starts by saying not to cherry pick stats...



And then proceeds to ignore that Mateer's QBR is 47th in the country. Instead he only lists the worst subset of plays for the season to push a narrative that stats simply don't support.

That's the definition of cherry picking. You can't make this up!

I cited every stat in an article by an objective (meaning, not the sooner scoop or sooner illustrated clowns) media outlet. But also, are you suggesting that 47th is good? There are, what, a little over 60 power conference teams. That would be like bragging that an NFL quarterback is in top 24 or so in a given category. But more to the point, the offense as a whole sucks. Mateer is a huge part of that, but we also can’t run worth a damn and only have one good receiver.

Unless you believe that every national media outlet is wrong and Parker Thune and Brandon “um, um” Drumm are right, there is so much evidence that the offense is really bad. Just look at their rankings compared to the other teams left.

 

[Eielson]

I cited every stat in an article by an objective (meaning, not the sooner scoop or sooner illustrated clowns) media outlet. But also, are you suggesting that 47th is good? There are, what, a little over 60 power conference teams. That would be like bragging that an NFL quarterback is in top 24 or so in a given category. But more to the point, the offense as a whole sucks. Mateer is a huge part of that, but we also can’t run worth a damn and only have one good receiver.

Unless you believe that every national media outlet is wrong and Parker Thune and Brandon “um, um” Drumm are right, there is so much evidence that the offense is really bad. Just look at their rankings compared to the other teams left.

No, 47th is not good, which is why I don't understand your obsession with exaggerating rather than speaking plainly.

The offense is also in that range based on advanced metrics. At least the ones that measure the entire offense and are not cherry-picked. Not great at all, and your words like "dreadful" and "awful" apply when compared to playoff teams, but very much medicore in general terms. We've spent most of the year in the 8-10/16 range for conference, so a mediocre SEC offense is a very accurate description. Being middle of conference is basically the definition of that.