Football question

[SoonerBounce13]

I don't think it will at all. They paid him his money. Oh noessss their not letting athletes unilaterally out of signed contracts and walking all over them? Don't break the K then. Or sign for only 1 year

I think you are overestimating kid's rationality and underestimating negative recruiting

 

[hoopsaustin]

I don't think they're in the wrong. But 19 year old kids will absolutely have this in the back of their mind. If they don't, their competitors will definitely plant that seed with negative recruiting.

These 19 year olds are dumb. They'll sign whatever K has the most money imo.

Also expect more schools to keep on suing until some sort of a system is finally forced into place

 

[hoopsaustin]

I think you are overestimating kid's rationality and underestimating negative recruiting

No. See my post below. I'm underestimating their rationality.

This will all play itself out

 

[SoonerBounce13]

No. See my post below. I'm underestimating their rationality.

This will all play itself out

doh...that is what i meant

 

[WichitaSooner]

The Indiana/Miami game drew the biggest TV audience of any non-NFL sporting event since 2016. I’ve argued for years that all the complaints and predictions that college sports are dead are flat wrong. People whine and complain and say NIL and portal are ruining sports and that they don’t care as much, but the ratings show otherwise.

 

[Eielson]

The Indiana/Miami game drew the biggest TV audience of any non-NFL sporting event since 2016. I’ve argued for years that all the complaints and predictions that college sports are dead are flat wrong. People whine and complain and say NIL and portal are ruining sports and that they don’t care as much, but the ratings show otherwise.

I think the portal has been great for football and brought more parity, as it's better to have talented players at Ole Miss and Indiana rather than riding the bench for Alabama. That always felt like one of the more evil things -- to recruit a guy to play scout team just to keep him away from other schools. But we still have quite a bit of consistency from year to year, so even if it's a down year like 2024, you still want to tune in and see how the young guys like X and Bowen are developing.

In basketball, it's accentuated the problems that already existed. There is so much turnover from year to year, and anytime you have a star, they're likely NBA bound. Or if they get off to a slow start, they're gone. You can blame Moser for losing guys like Oweh and Uzan, but Calipari and many others have to flip their roster annually. I can still recall tuning into a lost Capel year just to watch Cam Clark develop. There is no way a guy like that would have spent 4 years with us in the portal era.

I used to watch every game, but the past decade has led to less watched games almost every year. Even if we had a coaching staff that we believed in, what's the point of watching a bunch of guys in a lost season that will be playing elsewhere next year? I'll spend my time watching college football, college softball, women's college basketball, college baseball, NBA, NFL, MLB, etc.

 

[Eielson]

I admire anybody that keeps watching, and certainly don't discourage supporting the team, but it's just not the best use of my time anymore. I only pop in the basketball game threads to sarcastically respond to a couple posters thst @ me when we lose because they think losing basketball games is proof that passer efficiency > QBR.

 

[daqman]

 

[WTSooner]

I don't understand OU's approach here.

He 100% should NOT get an extra year because he played lacrosse at tOSU. That means nothing. Everybody gets 5 years to play 4, and that 5 years starts the minute you enroll in college. Period. Wouldn't have mattered if Owen played football, basketball, or nothing, his clock started that first year at tOSU.

I don't know the facts, but I've heard he missed most of his second year (first year at OU) due to an injury. THAT is what they should be fighting or arguing.

And before anybody says it, yes, I'm aware there are players out there getting extra years. But right or wrong, it's a different fact pattern than with Owen.

 

[BCSooners]

I don't understand OU's approach here.

He 100% should NOT get an extra year because he played lacrosse at tOSU. That means nothing. Everybody gets 5 years to play 4, and that 5 years starts the minute you enroll in college. Period. Wouldn't have mattered if Owen played football, basketball, or nothing, his clock started that first year at tOSU.

I don't know the facts, but I've heard he missed most of his second year (first year at OU) due to an injury. THAT is what they should be fighting or arguing.

And before anybody says it, yes, I'm aware there are players out there getting extra years. But right or wrong, it's a different fact pattern than with Owen.

But that is the main issue though. There's no argument if there wasn't a ton of 6th year players, and quite a few 7th years. I wish it was 5 to play 4, but that's not what is being done consistently.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I don't understand OU's approach here.

He 100% should NOT get an extra year because he played lacrosse at tOSU. That means nothing. Everybody gets 5 years to play 4, and that 5 years starts the minute you enroll in college. Period. Wouldn't have mattered if Owen played football, basketball, or nothing, his clock started that first year at tOSU.

I don't know the facts, but I've heard he missed most of his second year (first year at OU) due to an injury. THAT is what they should be fighting or arguing.

And before anybody says it, yes, I'm aware there are players out there getting extra years. But right or wrong, it's a different fact pattern than with Owen.

I read they argued both bases. They will appeal but they should hurry up and sue and obtain a TRO/PI. courts are giving them out like candy. Hurry up

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don't understand OU's approach here.

He 100% should NOT get an extra year because he played lacrosse at tOSU. That means nothing. Everybody gets 5 years to play 4, and that 5 years starts the minute you enroll in college. Period. Wouldn't have mattered if Owen played football, basketball, or nothing, his clock started that first year at tOSU.

I don't know the facts, but I've heard he missed most of his second year (first year at OU) due to an injury. THAT is what they should be fighting or arguing.

And before anybody says it, yes, I'm aware there are players out there getting extra years. But right or wrong, it's a different fact pattern than with Owen.

Such BS.

We literally have someone that played professional basketball on our team

Juco doesn’t count anymore.

Why dos 13 minutes of lacrosse count and why can’t he get an injury year?

 

[WTSooner]

Such BS.

We literally have someone that played professional basketball on our team

Juco doesn’t count anymore.

Why dos 13 minutes of lacrosse count and why can’t he get an injury year?

Once again, the lacrosse means nothing. If he didn’t play lacrosse that season and just attended classes, the NCAA would be saying the same thing. Stop saying lacrosse. That isn’t the issue.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Once again, the lacrosse means nothing. If he didn’t play lacrosse that season and just attended classes, the NCAA would be saying the same thing. Stop saying lacrosse. That isn’t the issue.

That's your opinion, but it sure seems to have been a focus of much of the dialogue, including Owen himself. I assume the OU lawyers are smart enough to argue all angles of the case -- any attorney worth a damn makes alternative arguments, and since all the OU talking points have referenced lacrosse, I assume they think it does play some role in his case.

 

[BoulderSooner]

But that is the main issue though. There's no argument if there wasn't a ton of 6th year players, and quite a few 7th years. I wish it was 5 to play 4, but that's not what is being done consistently.

medical RS are different things

 

[BoulderSooner]

That's your opinion, but it sure seems to have been a focus of much of the dialogue, including Owen himself. I assume the OU lawyers are smart enough to argue all angles of the case -- any attorney worth a damn makes alternative arguments, and since all the OU talking points have referenced lacrosse, I assume they think it does play some role in his case.

OU has never thought he would get his appeal granted ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

I read they argued both bases. They will appeal but they should hurry up and sue and obtain a TRO/PI. courts are giving them out like candy. Hurry up

I don't think he plans on suing if he loses his appeal of this decision i think he currently plans to go to the NFL

 

[BCSooners]

medical RS are different things

Yes, but with the $ incentives players are holding out longer on injuries to get extra years. Abusing the system.

 

[WTSooner]

That's your opinion, but it sure seems to have been a focus of much of the dialogue, including Owen himself. I assume the OU lawyers are smart enough to argue all angles of the case -- any attorney worth a damn makes alternative arguments, and since all the OU talking points have referenced lacrosse, I assume they think it does play some role in his case.

It's not my opinion. It's my factual interpretation of the rules. This has nothing to do with lacrosse. If that is what Owen and OU want to argue, it's a bad choice of facts to argue, and they are only doing so in hopes of generating an emotional (not a factual) response.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It's not my opinion. It's my factual interpretation of the rules. This has nothing to do with lacrosse. If that is what Owen and OU want to argue, it's a bad choice of facts to argue.

Ok. How much do you bill by the hour? I assume you are living the life of luxury since you apparently are an ace lawyer with intricate knowledge of NCAA rules.