Football question

[WichitaSooner]

OU has never thought he would get his appeal granted ..

I never said they did expect to win the case. I said that the case they have been making publicly has included a ton of references to "this poor dude shouldn't lose a year for playing 3 games of lacrosse."

 

[BoulderSooner]

I never said they did expect to win the case. I said that the case they have been making publicly has included a ton of references to "this poor dude shouldn't lose a year for playing 3 games of lacrosse."

to be clear i was not saying you did ...

just pointing out that they are supporting him publicly mostly for PR proposes . (they also clearly believe what they are saying )

 

[WTSooner]

Ok. How much do you bill by the hour? I assume you are living the life of luxury since you apparently are an ace lawyer with intricate knowledge of NCAA rules.

I'm not going to let you gas light me into thinking I'm not smart enough to understand a relatively SIMPLE NCAA eligibility rule that hasn't changed in decades.

The rule is simple. Just because Owen and OU want to fight it given the current college athletic landscape, doesn't mean they have a case or think they have a case.

If YOU don't understand the rule, that's a YOU problem.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I don't think he plans on suing if he loses his appeal of this decision i think he currently plans to go to the NFL

I believe that choice would be very unwise

 

[hoopsaustin]

Such BS.

We literally have someone that played professional basketball on our team

Juco doesn’t count anymore.

Why dos 13 minutes of lacrosse count and why can’t he get an injury year?

Pro bball player?

 

[hoopsaustin]

It's not my opinion. It's my factual interpretation of the rules. This has nothing to do with lacrosse. If that is what Owen and OU want to argue, it's a bad choice of facts to argue, and they are only doing so in hopes of generating an emotional (not a factual) response.

You are mainly correct. But they certainly will be using lacrosse for the narrative

 

[hoopsaustin]

I'm not going to let you gas light me into thinking I'm not smart enough to understand a relatively SIMPLE NCAA eligibility rule that hasn't changed in decades.

The rule is simple. Just because Owen and OU want to fight it given the current college athletic landscape, doesn't mean they have a case or think they have a case.

If YOU don't understand the rule, that's a YOU problem.

Well here you're being obtuse acting like eligibility rules are still being fairly enforced and concretely. See: pavia and juco eligibility rules completely thrown out

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Well here you're being obtuse acting like eligibility rules are still being fairly enforced and concretely. See: pavia and juco eligibility rules completely thrown out

Exactly. There is no freaking 5 to play four anymore. It has been inconsistently obliterated for years

 

[Eielson]

Heinecke doesn't have much of a case, but that often hasn't seemed to matter. Many more bizarre cases. We currently have a guy that played in the NBA trying to come back to college. I gave up predicting who would win cases long ago.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Heinecke doesn't have much of a case, but that often hasn't seemed to matter. Many more bizarre cases. We currently have a guy that played in the NBA trying to come back to college. I gave up predicting who would win cases long ago.

Why doesn’t he have a case?
Why shouldn’t he get a medical year?

 

[WTSooner]

Well here you're being obtuse acting like eligibility rules are still being fairly enforced and concretely. See: pavia and juco eligibility rules completely thrown out

Different. Fact. Pattern.

I'm not aware of any player in Owen's position that has ever gotten to extend their eligibility for the reasons they are arguing. Now, trying to get a medical for his 2nd season? Sure. But I've never even heard that mentioned so I'm guessing the facts don't support that either.

But you can't find me a single instance of somebody being in college for 5 years, but because they played a different sport their freshman year, they requested and received a 6th year. It doesn't happen. They wouldn't even have asked for it if all of this other stuff wasn't going on, but the JUCO stuff, the Covid year, all a different fact pattern.

And they aren't always saying yes. We'll see how ends up, but they have denied Chambliss an extra year so far as well.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Different. Fact. Pattern.

I'm not aware of any player in Owen's position that has ever gotten to extend their eligibility for the reasons they are arguing. Now, trying to get a medical for his 2nd season? Sure. But I've never even heard that mentioned so I'm guessing the facts don't support that either.

But you can't find me a single instance of somebody being in college for 5 years, but because they played a different sport their freshman year, they requested and received a 6th year. It doesn't happen. They wouldn't even have asked for it if all of this other stuff wasn't going on, but the JUCO stuff, the Covid year, all a different fact pattern.

And they aren't always saying yes. We'll see how ends up, but they have denied Chambliss an extra year so far as well.

Yes different facts but the lacrosse/clock running just bc you're in school argument is Waayyyyy stronger than the Juco argument was.. and they caved on the Juco case

 

[BoulderSooner]

Yes different facts but the lacrosse/clock running just bc you're in school argument is Waayyyyy stronger than the Juco argument was.. and they caved on the Juco case

it is actually way worse and they didn't cave on the juco issue they lost in court .. (for a specific player or 2 ) and won in court on others .

 

[hoopsaustin]

it is actually way worse and they didn't cave on the juco issue they lost in court .. (for a specific player or 2 ) and won in court on others .

I don't think they lost. I think the ncaa agreed to grant blanket waivers for like a year or 2. Thats caving.

I'm unaware of any other juco suits.

The point is that pavia had a worse case with absolutely no precedent. Juco has always counted. Its easier for Owen imo on policy grounds, equitable grounds, and common sense. I'm shocked that the ncaa bent over for pavia, esp bc hes 5'2 lol

 

[sanguinetti]

i'm rewatching the Michigan game. a few quick hitters:

1. obvs the Sherrone Moore thing is creepy and he's one of ours.
2. Mateer looks smooth compared to later in the year but there are 2 UM INTS left on the board. dropsies. still don't get the side armed throw thing.
3. Sategna love the guy but he's sloppy with the ball which catches up to us against Ole Miss
4. A few bad situational penalties from us.
5. We win, I still like it.

after the game I told a long time tix holder, friends with my late Dad that it looked like P5 8 win teams. Still seems about right but we won at Tenn and Bama. and that was pretty cool.

6. Arbuckle has a lot more WR in the patterns in the early games. Which I like. Burks is a factor. Ott plays the first snap of the game. and after Mateer scores a running TD right before the half......Ott and Mateer are laughing it up. Teammates. I wonder what happened with Ott. he also fumbles then recovers a punt 3rd q

 

[WichitaSooner]

i'm rewatching the Michigan game. a few quick hitters:

1. obvs the Sherrone Moore thing is creepy and he's one of ours.
2. Mateer looks smooth compared to later in the year but there are 2 UM INTS left on the board. dropsies. still don't get the side armed throw thing.
3. Sategna love the guy but he's sloppy with the ball which catches up to us against Ole Miss
4. A few bad situational penalties from us.
5. We win, I still like it.

after the game I told a long time tix holder, friends with my late Dad that it looked like P5 8 win teams. Still seems about right but we won at Tenn and Bama. and that was pretty cool.

6. Arbuckle has a lot more WR in the patterns in the early games. Which I like. Burks is a factor. Ott plays the first snap of the game. and after Mateer scores a running TD right before the half......Ott and Mateer are laughing it up. Teammates. I wonder what happened with Ott. he also fumbles then recovers a punt 3rd q

Good post -- agree on Mateer. He was better early but the signs were there. He threw INTs in our first three or four games and there should have been another handful on top of those.

Ott -- if he does end up making a roster and being an impact guy, it will go down as one of the biggest misses of all time. I have heard all the talk, and I know the coaches have convinced the OU "media" that it was all Ott's fault and that he didn't work hard, was a bad teammate, didn't want to play, etc. If DeMarco hadn't botched that room so badly the past three years, maybe I would buy that. I'm not saying Ott is blameless, but they knew his pass protection was a weakness at Cal but decided to bring him in and pay him a lot of money anyway. The coaches (DeMarco and Brent) needed to figure out a way to make that situation work.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Good post -- agree on Mateer. He was better early but the signs were there. He threw INTs in our first three or four games and there should have been another handful on top of those.

Ott -- if he does end up making a roster and being an impact guy, it will go down as one of the biggest misses of all time. I have heard all the talk, and I know the coaches have convinced the OU "media" that it was all Ott's fault and that he didn't work hard, was a bad teammate, didn't want to play, etc. If DeMarco hadn't botched that room so badly the past three years, maybe I would buy that. I'm not saying Ott is blameless, but they knew his pass protection was a weakness at Cal but decided to bring him in and pay him a lot of money anyway. The coaches (DeMarco and Brent) needed to figure out a way to make that situation work.

Just my uneducated guess...he never regained his pre injury explosiveness and was pissed he wasn't handed the starting job outright. it snowballed from there

 

[WichitaSooner]

Just my uneducated guess...he never regained his pre injury explosiveness and was pissed he wasn't handed the starting job outright. it snowballed from there

You could be right. But it seems like when OU reporters talk about him, they bring up whatever issue he had in camp (shoulder?) more than the old injury. It'll likely remain a mystery forever unless he makes the NFL and chooses to talk about it publicly. But he sure seems to have turned some heads with how good he looked at the Senior Bowl practices.

 

[Skeeter1]

Practice?? Stick to women’s basketball