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[SOONERGRAD]

"OU backs off."

Are we to assume that OU backs off of anyone who doesn't respond immediately? Sherri never tries to get someone to change their mind?

I read your original statement to mean more like once OU had Dungee that they no longer needed Wilson. That would be an interesting take, Dungee or Wilson. If both are great, you can use both. Something isn't registering correctly, which is not unusual in these stories of how OU shoots itself in the foot all of the time.

Lol ! Debating with you leads me no where cause in your eyes OU does no wrong. I am a die hard sooner fan but I also state facts. Whether you agree with them or not. All I'm saying is OU did indeed shoot themselves in the foot with the recruitment of Wilson and are Probaly going to do the same with some more instate recruits. Bottom line Coach Coale has a "type" and if you don't fit that type it's adios for that recruit. And if you all haven't figured out her type yet then you must not be true sooner fans.

For you all to say your not impressed with Wilson is absolutely insane! But, I will say if she were committed to OU I bet it would not be one negative comment on this board about her...

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Well, we see Edwards doing it all the time Syb. Driving the lane, I mean. She just can't score them because she's 5-5. Now Wilson at 5-10 might be another story. The only lane driver we have right now is Edwards. Carter kind of.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I think many are missing the point.

We have exactly one scholarship left for 2016. We hoped to sign Cox. Sherri will not run someone off to sign someone else except under special circumstances - which I will admit is different than a "win at all costs" coach - as some on here seem to think we should move toward. So it was hold it for Cox or give it to Wilson. What would you have done?



2016- Total 14 players. One ship available

Seniors
T'ona Edwards PG
Peyton Little SG
Gioya Carter SG
Derica Wyatt SG
Maddie Manning SG/SF
Shaya Kellogg PF

Juniors
Gabbi Ortiz PG
LaNesia Williams Combo G
Vionise Pierre-Louis PF/C
McKenna Treece PF/C

Sophomores
Gileysa Penzo (Redshirt Soph) SG
Ijeoma Odimgbe C

Freshmen
Chelsea Dungee Combo G
Nancy Mulkey C

 

[Soonerbay]

I think many are missing the point.

We have exactly one scholarship left for 2016. We hoped to sign Cox. Sherri will not run someone off to sign someone else except under special circumstances - which I will admit is different than a "win at all costs" coach - as some on here seem to think we should move toward. So it was hold it for Cox or give it to Wilson. What would you have done?



2016- Total 14 players. One ship available

Seniors
T'ona Edwards PG
Peyton Little SG
Gioya Carter SG
Derica Wyatt SG
Maddie Manning SG/SF
Shaya Kellogg PF

Juniors
Gabbi Ortiz PG
LaNesia Williams Combo G
Vionise Pierre-Louis PF/C
McKenna Treece PF/C

Sophomores
Gileysa Penzo (Redshirt Soph) SG
Ijeoma Odimgbe C

Freshmen
Chelsea Dungee Combo G
Nancy Mulkey C

None of that because I would have planned better and recruited better years in advance...knowing this day will come. Everyone is improving, the game is changing, more athletic players, bigger players, stronger players, more competitive recruiting. You can't use 1998 strategies for 2016 recruiting. And neither did it work in 2008.

Edit...and you don't have to cheat to do it! You just have to know what you're doing and have qualified staff that can do it.

 

[Soonercuda]

Lol ! Debating with you leads me no where cause in your eyes OU does no wrong. I am a die hard sooner fan but I also state facts. Whether you agree with them or not. All I'm saying is OU did indeed shoot themselves in the foot with the recruitment of Wilson and are Probaly going to do the same with some more instate recruits. Bottom line Coach Coale has a "type" and if you don't fit that type it's adios for that recruit. And if you all haven't figured out her type yet then you must not be true sooner fans.

For you all to say your not impressed with Wilson is absolutely insane! But, I will say if she were committed to OU I bet it would not be one negative comment on this board about her...

It is my understanding that OU continued to recruit Wilson until she made it clear she simply wasn't interested in OU. The back off wasn't because we got Dungee...it was that unfortunately we had no chance to get her. When Jimmy Dykes got the Arkansas job he went after her and for whatever reason she really liked the Arkansas staff and ultimately signed with them.

 

[Soonercuda]

I think many are missing the point.

We have exactly one scholarship left for 2016. We hoped to sign Cox. Sherri will not run someone off to sign someone else except under special circumstances - which I will admit is different than a "win at all costs" coach - as some on here seem to think we should move toward. So it was hold it for Cox or give it to Wilson. What would you have done?



2016- Total 14 players. One ship available

Seniors
T'ona Edwards PG
Peyton Little SG
Gioya Carter SG
Derica Wyatt SG
Maddie Manning SG/SF
Shaya Kellogg PF

Juniors
Gabbi Ortiz PG
LaNesia Williams Combo G
Vionise Pierre-Louis PF/C
McKenna Treece PF/C

Sophomores
Gileysa Penzo (Redshirt Soph) SG
Ijeoma Odimgbe C

Freshmen
Chelsea Dungee Combo G
Nancy Mulkey C

Add transfer Morgan Rich to the list of Freshmen...so we have 15 scholarship players next year as it stands presently.

 

[sybarite]

It is my understanding that OU continued to recruit Wilson until she made it clear she simply wasn't interested in OU. The back off wasn't because we got Dungee...it was that unfortunately we had no chance to get her. When Jimmy Dykes got the Arkansas job he went after her and for whatever reason she really liked the Arkansas staff and ultimately signed with them.

Another slant. So, we have one slant that Wilson was never offered, another that she was offered, but we backed off, and this one. Fact, we don't know.

There seems to be an agenda of so many on this board to find the most demeaning explanation for every issue. Some are very insulting, and I suspect that it is also deliberately so. Over and over, we see the same thing.

---Sherri can't attract talent to OU
---Sherri can't recruit instate talent
---Sherri mismanages the recruiting of individuals and insults them
---Sherri's staff is incompetent, and she needs to pull a Stoops (still waiting on that to work)

This list could go on forever, just as the whining has. It is insulting to her character to state that she doesn't get along with recruits or dismisses recruits rudely.

Thus far, you are going on unsupported information that comes from message board type sources. I have seen nobody in the profession state that Sherri is incompetent. We have had parents of recruits come on this board to attest to the fact that she is considerate of her recruits. We have, to my knowledge, never heard players who played for her accuse her of any rude or demeaning behavior towards them.

To assault someone's character and competence without any supported facts is what?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

There's another more likely scenario that I have heard from other boosters, athletic department officials and even parents of former players. It is this:

The staff finds and does due-diligence on prospects, even contacts them and begins recruiting them with SC's knowledge and they show some level of interest. Then Sherri will come in one day, like at a staff meeting, and say something to the effect "we aren't recruiting her," often never giving the staff a reason and tells coaches not to contact the girl any more.

Most of the time the staff just thinks it's a character or attitude thing that Sherri doesn't like.

Others say it's the "good Christian girl thing." Others say maybe. Still others tell me no.

This was, as told to me by several people with knowledge of the program, as part of the reason Hansmeyer quit and why DeCosta left.

I won't reveal the people who told me that, Syb, before you even say who or I don't believe it unless I hear it from them. I have scruples and I don't reveal my sources.

I don't know for certain what is true or false. I just know we don't score with the top 15 recruits at all anymore and something is amiss inside the program.

You can take this anyway you want, but that's my opinion or my thoughts on this mess.


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[Mac]

There's another more likely scenario that I have heard from other boosters, athletic department officials and even parents of former players. It is this:

The staff finds and does due-diligence on prospects, even contacts them and begins recruiting them with SC's knowledge and they show some level of interest. Then Sherri will come in one day, like at a staff meeting, and say something to the effect "we aren't recruiting her," often never giving the staff a reason and tells coaches not to contact the girl any more.

Most of the time the staff just thinks it's a character or attitude thing that Sherri doesn't like.

Others say it's the "good Christian girl thing." Others say maybe. Still others tell me no.

This was, as told to me by several people with knowledge of the program, as part of the reason Hansmeyer quit and why DeCosta left.

I won't reveal the people who told me that, Syb, before you even say who or I don't believe it unless I hear it from them. I have scruples and I don't reveal my sources.

I don't know for certain what is true or false. I just know we don't score with the top 15 recruits at all anymore and something is amiss inside the program.

You can take this anyway you want, but that's my opinion or my thoughts on this mess.


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I think OU should go in a younger more diverse direction when it comes to the assistant coaches...

 

[SoonerNorm]

I don't have a dog in this fight but I do know that Soonergrad attends a lot of high school games and he has a lot of contacts. He doesn't make statements without having information from reliable sources.

 

[sybarite]

There's another more likely scenario that I have heard from other boosters, athletic department officials and even parents of former players. It is this:

The staff finds and does due-diligence on prospects, even contacts them and begins recruiting them with SC's knowledge and they show some level of interest. Then Sherri will come in one day, like at a staff meeting, and say something to the effect "we aren't recruiting her," often never giving the staff a reason and tells coaches not to contact the girl any more.

Most of the time the staff just thinks it's a character or attitude thing that Sherri doesn't like.

Others say it's the "good Christian girl thing." Others say maybe. Still others tell me no.

This was, as told to me by several people with knowledge of the program, as part of the reason Hansmeyer quit and why DeCosta left.

I won't reveal the people who told me that, Syb, before you even say who or I don't believe it unless I hear it from them. I have scruples and I don't reveal my sources.

I don't know for certain what is true or false. I just know we don't score with the top 15 recruits at all anymore and something is amiss inside the program.

You can take this anyway you want, but that's my opinion or my thoughts on this mess.


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Again, this is message board like chatter. There is not one fact, and not one of these sources has come forward to be identified. It is always some unnamed source or some parent who was dissatisfied. But, not one fact has been presented.

This is the #23 team in the country, which has some people distraught. We have never had the ability to attract the #5 prospect in the nation except for one time---Courtney. She may have been the focus of what allowed us to attract some other good recruits. But, Sherri built the program on a leftover recruit, a 5-10 post. She built the 2002 team, the only team to reach the finals, off of who? I doubt HoopGurlz would have rated any of them.

We have had to find prospects, the same way Kim Mulkey found Sophia Young and that team before she cheated her way into that nonsense with the Griner group. Originally, Kim's initial success was so effective that Courtney beat her three times in the year after the title, and she had to resort to the AAU nonsense to rebuild it.

We get some good ones. We could use a bit more depth to polish the ones we get.

 

[tycat947]

There's another more likely scenario that I have heard from other boosters, athletic department officials and even parents of former players. It is this:

The staff finds and does due-diligence on prospects, even contacts them and begins recruiting them with SC's knowledge and they show some level of interest. Then Sherri will come in one day, like at a staff meeting, and say something to the effect "we aren't recruiting her," often never giving the staff a reason and tells coaches not to contact the girl any more.

Most of the time the staff just thinks it's a character or attitude thing that Sherri doesn't like.

Others say it's the "good Christian girl thing." Others say maybe. Still others tell me no.

This was, as told to me by several people with knowledge of the program, as part of the reason Hansmeyer quit and why DeCosta left.

I won't reveal the people who told me that, Syb, before you even say who or I don't believe it unless I hear it from them. I have scruples and I don't reveal my sources.

I don't know for certain what is true or false. I just know we don't score with the top 15 recruits at all anymore and something is amiss inside the program.

You can take this anyway you want, but that's my opinion or my thoughts on this mess.


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I'm almost 100% positive that the athletic dept conducts background checks on ALL prospective recruits for ALL sports at OU. Sherri may receive a negative report and not reveal the nature of negativity so that it will never get out from OU sources.

According to your sources, looks like they don't know for sure either. Some say this, some say that

SMH!

 

[tycat947]

Again, this is message board like chatter. There is not one fact, and not one of these sources has come forward to be identified. It is always some unnamed source or some parent who was dissatisfied. But, not one fact has been presented.

This is the #23 team in the country, which has some people distraught. We have never had the ability to attract the #5 prospect in the nation except for one time---Courtney. She may have been the focus of what allowed us to attract some other good recruits. But, Sherri built the program on a leftover recruit, a 5-10 post. She built the 2002 team, the only team to reach the finals, off of who? I doubt HoopGurlz would have rated any of them.

We have had to find prospects, the same way Kim Mulkey found Sophia Young and that team before she cheated her way into that nonsense with the Griner group. Originally, Kim's initial success was so effective that Courtney beat her three times in the year after the title, and she had to resort to the AAU nonsense to rebuild it.

We get some good ones. We could use a bit more depth to polish the ones we get.

+1!

This seems to be the National Enquirer of women's hoops!!!

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

It is pretty common for a school to take a player who commits instead of one who holds out too long. You really have to do that.

Every once in a while you will hear a player admit they made a mistake on that. "I really wanted to go to X, but I wanted to keep looking - so they moved on and signed someone else". Not all that rare.

At this point in time we are suffering from a reaction to what transpired a few years ago when we had so few players that we had to add a couple of volleyball players to be able to practice. Sherri was determined to not get that short handed again - with nothing but respect for the two girls who joined and seemed like great kids.

The result was to fill the roster probably a bit too full which limits your ability to be flexible in holding a scholarship for someone you really want.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

As I accurately predicted, Syb wants me to rat people out and his acolyte Cat follows suit.

As I said, I don't know what is true, but when nearly a dozen different people who may,
or may not, know each other talk to me without knowing I've ever talked to any one else, then it
makes you think.

Which, sadly, is more than Syb or Cat often do.






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[sybarite]

+1!

This seems to be the National Enquirer of women's hoops!!!

I think this is the only women's message board that I have seen on which it is unacceptable to support the local team. I think there are even rules about posting rumors, but that is about all that we see. Some source said this---or that. Yet, I have never heard anyone state on the record what happened in these cases. They are only "cases" to the disgruntled.

I think The Summit might issue permanent bans after one night on this board.

 

[sybarite]

As I accurately predicted, Syb wants me to rat people out and his acolyte Cat follows suit.




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Nobody asked you to reveal one source. I simply stated that it, as always, is some unconfirmed source. I'll regard it as valid when someone goes on the record. Until then, it is griping.

 

[SoonerNorm]

As I accurately predicted, Syb wants me to rat people out and his acolyte Cat follows suit.

As I said, I don't know what is true, but when nearly a dozen different people who may,
or may not, know each other talk to me without knowing I've ever talked to any one else, then it
makes you think.

Which, sadly, is more than Syb or Cat often do.




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It wouldn't matter if you presented sworn deposition testimony from 10 witnesses, there are a few here who wouldn't believe a word of it unless it only contained glowing comments about the program.

 

[Soonerbay]

Again, this is message board like chatter. There is not one fact, and not one of these sources has come forward to be identified. It is always some unnamed source or some parent who was dissatisfied. But, not one fact has been presented.

This is the #23 team in the country, which has some people distraught. We have never had the ability to attract the #5 prospect in the nation except for one time---Courtney. She may have been the focus of what allowed us to attract some other good recruits. But, Sherri built the program on a leftover recruit, a 5-10 post. She built the 2002 team, the only team to reach the finals, off of who? I doubt HoopGurlz would have rated any of them.

We have had to find prospects, the same way Kim Mulkey found Sophia Young and that team before she cheated her way into that nonsense with the Griner group. Originally, Kim's initial success was so effective that Courtney beat her three times in the year after the title, and she had to resort to the AAU nonsense to rebuild it.

We get some good ones. We could use a bit more depth to polish the ones we get.

Syb you just seem so far off sometimes...many times and I believe it's because you're passionate about the team regardless of win or loss. I'm not that kind of fan. I like and expect success, otherwise, why compete and say that you're competing for the NC every year but don't do anything to prepare for it. Also CParis was the #1 recruit in the nation. The only one that had her 2nd was Parade. EArriaran was Parade's #1. AParis was 3-5 depending on the list. OU did'nt find them, they found OU thanks to Arriaran. That story has been told 100 times. Look at "Neath the Western Sky: the SC Story". Jan Ross and Hansmeyer clearly state how shocked they were to get them. But don't believe what I write, watch it yourself. It's like they don't believe they can get the top players and neither are they doing what it takes.

No, I'm not going to name "sources" either, but I don't have a reason to disbelieve what has been told to me and what I've seen and heard with my own two ears and eyes. Are players and their families going to come on a message board and share their tough experiences? No. Not if they are intelligent. And it doesn't mean that everything was bad, but there has been enough said to know that it has affected OU's recruiting. Or lack thereof. And this is not unique to OU. Unfortunately, it affects OU's recruiting.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Nobody asked you to reveal one source. I simply stated that it, as always, is some unconfirmed source. I'll regard it as valid when someone goes on the record. Until then, it is griping.

No it wasn't all griping, Syb. A good number of them are big Sherri fans. They just told it how they thought it was based upon their own knowledge.


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