Have OU and OSU combined to be any worse...

[NickZepp]

Have both teams ever been this bad at the same time? I think there's a real good chance both teams go winless into the next Bedlam game.

OSU plays Texas A&M who hasn't played that good, and Tech next week in GIA. I think those games are both winnable. They probably are favored against Tech. I don't see them winning more than that.

OU has really only one game I would put as winnable @ Tech and that's a toss up at best.

 

[Sam]

Even TU isn't any good. Tough year of BBall in the state. Least there is some good high school teams.


Maybe Terry Evans was right.

 

[BigTime]

 

[MsProudSooner]

I have conceded the 'visit to the DA's office' sweepstakes to OSU.

 

[Dignon003]

Have both teams ever been this bad at the same time? I think there's a real good chance both teams go winless into the next Bedlam game.

OSU plays Texas A&M who hasn't played that good, and Tech next week in GIA. I think those games are both winnable. They probably are favored against Tech. I don't see them winning more than that.

OU has really only one game I would put as winnable @ Tech and that's a toss up at best.

aTm at home, Baylor at home, Tech at home and @ OU are four winnable games. OSU found a way to beat similar teams in Stillwater. Gave away the Tech game. If Ford gets this team to 8 wins in conference, I'll be impressed.

 

[NickZepp]

Baylor is a horrible matchup for OSU. As I said OSU has 2 winnable games before Bedlam. And I like OU's chances because OSU has played horrible on the road this year. The only close games for OSU on the road are against Tech and Colorado. Who just aren't that good this year.

And before you give me Nebraska hasn't won on the road. They've played a lot of road games close this year. Baylor 4 point loss. Kansas 3 point loss, Missouri 8 point loss, Tech 1 point loss. They've only lost 1 conference road game by more than 10 against KSU.

Again I think OSU has a chance to win 2 games. But the way things have played out they will probably only win 1 of those games.

 

[DenverSooner]

If you combine the teams, I am not sure you have that great of a basketball team. I suspect the 9 man rotation is Paige, Olukemi, Marshall, Fitzgerald, Clark, Pilgram, Davis, Pledger and Blair. If OSU people want Penn over Blair, that is fine with me.

Could that team beat Texas or KU?

 

[InTheKnow]

I don't remember a time when both OU and OSU were this bad during the same season. But I've only been a hardcore fan for about 30 years. :eddie187_jpg_xs:

 

[InTheKnow]

If you combine the teams, I am not sure you have that great of a basketball team. I suspect the 9 man rotation is Paige, Olukemi, Marshall, Fitzgerald, Clark, Pilgram, Davis, Pledger and Blair. If OSU people want Penn over Blair, that is fine with me.

Could that team beat Texas or KU?

Why would anyone want Penn? I think Blair is playing better than Penn right now.

 

[DenverSooner]

Why would anyone want Penn? I think Blair is playing better than Penn right now.

I am more focused on a combined team than OU vs. OSU. That is why I said that. I don't want to split hairs about the roster. I just want to know if many OU or OSU fans think the team is any better (or much better) combined. I am not sure it really is. I will say this, I would want Travis Ford coaching because I think he would be more likely to push tempo and use his bench which would be the strength of the team.

 

[NMSooner'80]

I don't remember a time when both OU and OSU were this bad during the same season. But I've only been a hardcore fan for about 30 years. :eddie187_jpg_xs:

This is probably the worst they've been at the same time since 1977-78. OU was only 14-13 after injuries just decimated that team, and I think OSU was somewhere around 10-16 that year. OU did sweep them - I do know that.

 

[InTheKnow]

I am more focused on a combined team than OU vs. OSU. That is why I said that. I don't want to split hairs about the roster. I just want to know if many OU or OSU fans think the team is any better (or much better) combined. I am not sure it really is. I will say this, I would want Travis Ford coaching because I think he would be more likely to push tempo and use his bench which would be the strength of the team.

I don't believe that team is any better together than they are apart. OSU's weakest link right now is PG play and perimeter shooting - and the poor shooting is partly the result of poor PG play. I mentioned Blair over Penn because I believe he's a better, true PG. I do believe OSU would be much better if we had Pledger on the wing and Fitz rotating with Moses. OU would probably be better with Moses and maybe Page in the rotation.

 

[DenverSooner]

I don't believe that team is any better together than they are apart. OSU's weakest link right now is PG play and perimeter shooting - and the poor shooting is partly the result of poor PG play. I mentioned Blair over Penn because I believe he's a better, true PG. I do believe OSU would be much better if we had Pledger on the wing and Fitz rotating with Moses. OU would probably be better with Moses and maybe Page in the rotation.

Sadly that is my point. Page is a talented player but he so short it hurts him at this level. (I do like his game) Moses would be a huge help to OU as would Fitzgerald to OSU but even with both guys you don't have that great of a front line. Combined those guys are only averaging 12 boards a game. Perhaps a 30/30/20 rotation with Fitzgerald, Moses and Pligram gets it done.

 

[InTheKnow]

Sadly, I must agree with you. It's a sad year for both OU and OSU. :facepalm

 

[propoke]

If you combine the teams, I am not sure you have that great of a basketball team. I suspect the 9 man rotation is Paige, Olukemi, Marshall, Fitzgerald, Clark, Pilgram, Davis, Pledger and Blair. If OSU people want Penn over Blair, that is fine with me.

Could that team beat Texas or KU?

I might through Brown in there. I thought he played the best last night of all OSU's players. He is turning into a pretty good 1 on 1 defender and has unreal athleticism. That said this team still wouldn't hang with KU and TU.

 

[bgrch1350]

I don't believe that team is any better together than they are apart. OSU's weakest link right now is PG play and perimeter shooting - and the poor shooting is partly the result of poor PG play. I mentioned Blair over Penn because I believe he's a better, true PG. I do believe OSU would be much better if we had Pledger on the wing and Fitz rotating with Moses. OU would probably be better with Moses and maybe Page in the rotation.

The only thing that Page does is score. If he can't do that than he is a liability on the floor. He is a horrible PG. He gets no more than 2 assists a game.

Ford has turned OSU into a selfish, undisciplined team. They are avg 8.5 assist per game in the big 12. If it wasn't for him inheriting Anderson, Eaton, and Obi...Ford would have never made it to the tournament...and I don't see them getting back there anytime soon. And if Ford didn't run off Thomas and Adams...he probably would have advanced in the tournament.

 

[CarlWeathers]

2006 wasn't a great year for either team, but both of those teams were better than this years.

I think OSU has a good shot at making the tourney next year. Depending on how williams thing turns out as well as our current recruiting. OU also will have a shot depending on how current players outside of fitz and pledger develop.

OSU has been hurting in the assist area all year. it isn't about selfishness its about pg play. page shoots threes off screens not passes. Moses scores backing down opponents not dishes in the paint. there are a lot of put backs and one on one drives. You aren't going to get many assists these ways.

 

[bgrch1350]

2006 wasn't a great year for either team, but both of those teams were better than this years.

I think OSU has a good shot at making the tourney next year. Depending on how williams thing turns out as well as our current recruiting. OU also will have a shot depending on how current players outside of fitz and pledger develop.

OSU has been hurting in the assist area all year. it isn't about selfishness its about pg play. page shoots threes off screens not passes. Moses scores backing down opponents not dishes in the paint. there are a lot of put backs and one on one drives. You aren't going to get many assists these ways.

I assume your talking about the 06-07 season and of course the OSU team was better...Moses is the only guy on the roster who could have started for that team. If Obi didn't get hurt, that team would have been one of the better OSU teams in the past 20 years. As for OU, its obvious that the 06 team was better...they beat Chaminade.

OSU has no shot...repeat...no shot at making the tournament next year. They lose Pilgrim and Moses for sure. Nash will not be better than Moses this year who has gotten multiple double doubles. Nash will be playing the 4 and the 5 the entire year giving them less rebounding and lil post scoring. And until we know otherwise, Williams and Johnson will not be wearing orange next season.

They are hurting this year b/c of PG play and b/c they are selfish. They have PGs on that team...matter of fact, they have 4. The problem is that their PGs look to score instead of distribute. Everyone, and I mean everyone on their team rather go thru double teams than hit open guys. They never get an assist b/c they never make the extra pass. They have nothing but guys who want to go 1-on-1. And Page shoots 3's off of everything.

Until Ford changes his style...I'll be shocked if they make the tournament again..under him.

 

[stoops4pres]

2006 wasn't a great year for either team, but both of those teams were better than this years.

Yeah, at the time I was thinking the '06-07 season was about as bad as it could get for both programs simultaneously, but I was wrong; both of those teams would probably run circles around both teams this year. Or at least around OU.

 

[soonerbms]

OSU is going to the NIT at the very least. I'd give anything to be "that bad".