How bad would adding TCU, Houston, and SMU hurt the others?

[WTSooner]

You mean that if the Big 12 adds BYU (a fantastic athletic program with lots of tradition), Central Florida, and Houston (who should have been in the Big 12 over Baylor in the frst place) are the teams they pick that you will demand Mizzou leave the Big 12?

Why? What issue would Mizzou have with those teams?

Exactly. And if not those schools, then who? I'm all for branching out a little, but I don't see how it helps the conference to grab BYU, Louisville, and Central Florida. Talk about spreading ourselves a little thin.

 

[AdaSooner]

BYU, Central Florida, Houston.

I like it.

A western institution with solid basketball and football programs; an up-and-coming school that could open more recruiting doors in Florida; and the third in a major market that happens to be an important city in recruiting the state of Texas. Not a bad threesome.

I'm still not sold on Houston. But I could live with a school that may or may not pan out, if the conference can bring in two strong additions like BYU and Central Florida.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm confused.

MU is fickle if they don't want to add those schools, yet you admit those additions don't help the conference and would be spreading ourselves thin.

If MU has an SEC landing spot (and I do still believe the SEC would take MU if MU wanted out), why would they accept a watered down Big 12?

Why should the Big 12 prop up mid-majors to survive? Why should a program like MU that has relied on the 2nd tier of Texas talent agree to adding mid-majors in Texas?

BYU is a quality program. Houston, SMU, UCF... not so much. I don't care if they should have been included 15 years ago instead of Baylor. Reality is they weren't, and their programs have suffered accordingly. They don't deserve it now.

The Big 12 will survive in some fashion as long as UT and OU are in it. At this point it looks like MU may be the only other Big 12 school with alternative BCS options, and a lot of people at the school and throughout the state would rather be in a conference where they feel there's an element of mutual trust and respect, and not a conference where members feel "handcuffed" to each other.

For whatever it's worth, my opinion is that a 10-team Big 12 was fine. If BYU takes A&M's spot, that would be acceptable. Adding anyone else makes zero sense and turns the Big 12 into a conference I'm less inclined to want to be in. I don't see who benefits from that other than the mid-majors that gain BCS status. Everyone else loses.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

A western institution with solid basketball and football programs; an up-and-coming school that could open more recruiting doors in Florida; and the third in a major market that happens to be an important city in recruiting the state of Texas. Not a bad threesome.

I'm still not sold on Houston. But I could live with a school that may or may not pan out, if the conference can bring in two strong additions like BYU and Central Florida.

so why UCF over USF?

 

[Sam]

Am I the only person really hoping that somehow the Big 12 can raid the Big East for Louisville, West Va & Cincy? Expand the eastern influence and would make for some great hoops.

 

[campbest]

We already have the best hoops conference according to Joe Lunardi's statistics.

 

[WTSooner]

Am I the only person really hoping that somehow the Big 12 can raid the Big East for Louisville, West Va & Cincy? Expand the eastern influence and would make for some great hoops.

Eh. I don't think they want to leave the Big East any more than OU wanted to leave the Big 12. The Big East will work something out, and they won't lose anybody to the Big 12. Now, they may lose UCONN and Rutgers to the ACC, but even then, I think the remaining schools would stay.

 

[Sawyer]

What are the rules for a conference to retain BCS automatic qualifier status?

The Big East had eight football teams. They've lost two but are adding one (TCU). That puts them at seven. If they lose two more in UConn and Rutgers, they'd have to start looking to add schools (I'm not sure of the number, but I know five won't cut it; seven may not even be enough).

Big East schools are going to have to make a decision. Do they want to forfeit BCS status, look to add mid-majors, or do the football schools want to explore other options? The status quo won't likely be an option.

 

[thebigabd]

MU is fickle if they don't want to add those schools, yet you admit those additions don't help the conference and would be spreading ourselves thin.

If MU has an SEC landing spot (and I do still believe the SEC would take MU if MU wanted out), why would they accept a watered down Big 12?

Missouri isnt going to win anything regardless of what league its in, but if I were a Mizzou fan I wouldnt want to become Vanderbilt West of the SEC. I imagine that if Mizzou went to the SEC we would never hear anything about their football program again. They would sink into the abyss.

Of course, perhaps the only reason we hear about them now is because they play in this league so they are directly exposed to anyone from this area.

 

[bocabull]

The more I think about it. We should not add any teams. BYU is a joke. No way we should be adding a mid major over 1,000 miles away.

What did we lose with A&M? We lost 9 football games and 18 basketball games. We need to replace those games. So let's replace them with games we KNOW are more valuable.

Let's play marquee games twice. Play repeat games on the day conference championship games are held. OU Texas in October and again at Jerry World. OSU Texas Tech play twice. Missouri Kansas play twice. Think of a triple header at Jerry World with those 6 teams playing. It would be off the hook crazy. A huge party atmosphere. This strategy would bring in additional revenues and we would only be splitting with 9 teams.

 

[WTSooner]

Missouri isnt going to win anything regardless of what league its in, but if I were a Mizzou fan I wouldnt want to become Vanderbilt West of the SEC. I imagine that if Mizzou went to the SEC we would never hear anything about their football program again. They would sink into the abyss.

Of course, perhaps the only reason we hear about them now is because they play in this league so they are directly exposed to anyone from this area.

Not to mention, for a school that thinks so highly of their academics (Mizzou), the SEC is a pretty crappy academic conference overall.

And then like you said, they'd get their butts spanked in football.

 

[Sawyer]

The SEC is no worse (and arguably better) than the Big 12 when it comes to academics.

 

[thebigabd]

The more I think about it. We should not add any teams. BYU is a joke. No way we should be adding a mid major over 1,000 miles away.

A.) Yes, the league should add teams.

B.) BYU is a joke? They are having a down season, but most years you can bet on BYU being good in both football and basketball. They would come in better than KU, KSU, MU, ISU, and Baylor in football. They would be one of the top 6 or 7 basketball schools as well most years.

C.) 1,000 miles away? Now proximity matters to you? I seem to remember you telling me that was a non-issue when I brought it up when all this first started and you were pulling for 10 other teams 1,000 miles away, now do you dont like 1?

Let's play marquee games twice.

No.

Play repeat games on the day conference championship games are held.

No.

OU Texas in October and again at Jerry World.

No.

OSU Texas Tech play twice.

No.

Missouri Kansas play twice.

No.

Think of a triple header at Jerry World with those 6 teams playing.

No.

This strategy would bring in additional revenues and we would only be splitting with 9 teams.

No.

Just add another quality team and get back to 10, or add 3 quality teams and get back to 12. Thats really the only answer. Nobody is going to be on board with playing marquee games twice just because you have a conference with no teams in it.

 

[thebigabd]

The SEC is no worse (and arguably better) than the Big 12 when it comes to academics.

lol @ missouri thinking they are an ivy league school.

 

[stoops4pres]

The opinions of bigabd and WTSooner regarding football are always entertaining.

 

[thebigabd]

the opinions of bigabd and wtsooner regarding football are always correct and i accept them as fact.

fify.

 

[WTSooner]

The opinions of bigabd and WTSooner regarding football are always entertaining.

I've likely forgotten more about football then you'll ever know.

It's not "by chance" that the SEC is having the overall sucess in football that they've been having. Disagree all you want, but you are doing so out of ignorance.

 

[bocabull]

BYU is a joke. I never supported your ridiculous mid major fragmented suggestions of adding monkey high jokes like central florida, etc.

OU is the #1 football program in the nation of alltime according to ESPN. How we got there was simple. We have a huge rivalry with Texas and the state of Texas is loaded with elite talent. Nebraska, Colorado, A&M leaving did nothing to dent our model and they did nothing to dent Texas' model. We own and there is no reason to bring in some mid major 1,000 miles away who bring nothing to the table except their silly rules since they are owned by a cult and their mission to promote said cult.

 

[campbest]

Has Mizzou always thought they were a bunch of BAs or did this just happen recently?

 

[boksooner]

The SEC is no worse (and arguably better) than the Big 12 when it comes to academics.

Vanderbilt skews the averages considerably.

The real issue is that most SEC schools have lower admission standards than their Big XII counterparts. Is A&M and possibly Missouri going to be willing to lower their admission standards, so that they can get in the same type of players that their competitors allow in? I am not saying that there are drastic differences, but a couple of talented, but borderline cases getting into Arkansas, instead of Missouri may mean the difference between who wins and who loses.