How bad would adding TCU, Houston, and SMU hurt the others?

Nope it's current capacity is 44k which is actually down from what it was in the 50s-90s when it was 46k. More than I thought it was but still below Baylor and ISU the lowest in the Big 12. It's renovations won't be completed till 2012 which is when it'll be able to hold over 50k.
 
That's the most they had in one game. But 44k is all they can fill up on a weekly basis.
 
There is also the issue of oversigning and placing kids in prep schools. While this happens occasionally in the Big XII (OU put a kid in a prep school that could not qualify), it is common practice in the SEC. Teams will regularly recruit kids that they know won't qualify or that they don't have room for and then place them in a prep school that they have a strong relationship with.

What exactly is the issue here? Big 12 schools do it. SEC schools do it. I'm sure it happens in the PAC, Big 10 and ACC, too. There's no NCAA rule against it, and as far as I know there is no conference with a rule prohibiting it.

The SEC has initiated steps to curtail the practice, though (I believe they've already instituted a limit, and there have been talks about getting more strict on it).

If you're suggesting it would be a problem for a school like MU to compete without doing that or would somehow have to lower themselves to doing the same, you're wrong on both counts. MU already does it (Sheldon Richardson ring a bell? We've done it plenty...), and the end result is no different than signing any other juco player.
 
byu, west virgina, lewisville...

I dont know that the Lewisville Fighting Farmers would help us much. Bret Rayl was ok when he played at OU and Tony Cade COULD have been good had it not been for his attitude. . . but I dont think the overall athletic program and fan base would bring much to the table as far as the conference is concerned.


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just jerking your chain dubya
 
I've likely forgotten more about football then you'll ever know.

It's not "by chance" that the SEC is having the overall sucess in football that they've been having. Disagree all you want, but you are doing so out of ignorance.

Ignorance? LOL. This is coming from the same guy that a couple of weeks ago was proven wrong on his bogus "strength of schedule" theory, then proceeded to create the ultimate spin cycle because he knew his "strength of schedule" opinion was a bad one. Just like every opinion he has regarding football.

Oh, and Mizzou just rolled up 500 yards and gave the #1 team fits last night. Not too bad for a team that you've portrayed to be this abhorrent program. Maybe you should just sit the next few plays out regarding these football discussions. It could help you out some.
 
Admissions standards for a typical student have nothing to do with athletics. Most schools hold athletes to different standards than others applying for admission. I believe all Big 12 schools use the NCAA minimum in determining whether or not to admit an athlete. There's no one an SEC school could take that Big 12 schools couldn't now.

In fact, I believe it's actually the other way around. I read from multiple SEC sites that Ricardo Ratliffe would have an easier time getting into MU than Arkansas or Alabama because the SEC has stronger restrictions on junior college players.

Vanderbilt doesn't skew the average much more than UT does in the Big 12. I'm not talking about averages, anyway.

Not positive, but I think you're right on this. Pretty sure that's why Lance Mitchell (stud juco recruit from 2002-2004) got into OU but couldn't get into Florida. Florida's juco admissions standards were more stringent.
 
Ignorance? LOL. This is coming from the same guy that a couple of weeks ago was proven wrong on his bogus "strength of schedule" theory, then proceeded to create the ultimate spin cycle because he knew his "strength of schedule" opinion was a bad one. Just like every opinion he has regarding football.

You didn't prove anything. And the fact that you don't understand that, shows that I should probably just leave you alone, and let you run your mouth. SOS proves NOTHING in the discussion we were having. And I showed that. Laid it out, clear as can be done.

Oh, and Mizzou just rolled up 500 yards and gave the #1 team fits last night. Not too bad for a team that you've portrayed to be this abhorrent program. Maybe you should just sit the next few plays out regarding these football discussions. It could help you out some.

Exactly why "rankings" don't mean squat, especially 3-4 weeks into a season. OU isn't the best team in the country. Clearly. And just b/c we played craptastic ball, doesn't inflate Mizzou's worth.

I know you from the football boards. You're a blow-hard know it all over there, and now you are acting that way here. Forgive me, but I'll call you out on it every time.
 
You didn't prove anything. And the fact that you don't understand that, shows that I should probably just leave you alone, and let you run your mouth. SOS proves NOTHING in the discussion we were having. And I showed that. Laid it out, clear as can be done.

Convenient of you to utilize this revisionist history.

Now back to reality, the only thing you showed was just how ill-informed you were regarding the topic at hand. You were spouting off all this nonsense that OU's schedule is usually drastically worse than an SEC schedule, and used your presumed difference between Bama and OU as your example. So, I showed an SOS ranking from arguably the most respectable system that debunked your wack theory. I think that proves enough.

So basically, you pimped up the SOS until it didn't fit your argument, right? That's what it looked like to me. Sorry, but I'll take a system that is actually relevant, way over WTSooner's system. You've shown enough over the last few weeks that you are lost when it comes to the game of football.

Normally, I wouldn't bring a former debate back up... But just don't call someone ignorant when that's nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black, particularly over the last few weeks.


Exactly why "rankings" don't mean squat, especially 3-4 weeks into a season. OU isn't the best team in the country. Clearly. And just b/c we played craptastic ball, doesn't inflate Mizzou's worth.

OU might not be the best team in the country, but they are still an extremely legit squad this season, where their home games are arguably the toughest for an opponent to play in all of college football. The fact that Mizzou came in and actually gave OU fits hurts your flawed belief that Mizzou is some pathetic program. But again, it's not shocking to have reality contradict your opinions regarding football.

I know you from the football boards. You're a blow-hard know it all over there, and now you are acting that way here. Forgive me, but I'll call you out on it every time.


If someone that disagrees with your opinions because that someone actually does research and observes facts (it isn't hard, anyone can do it) is considered to be a "blow-hard know it all", then whatever. I guess that makes a ton of people belong in that category. But I won't lose any sleep over some sports jester that repeatedly gets clowned on by fellow posters on here. It totally makes sense why I've seen others engage in heated debates with you on this board now... You need a serious dose of reality.

But continue to "call" me out on my posting tendencies, whatever that means. I'll just sit here and laugh.
 
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You didn't prove anything. And the fact that you don't understand that, shows that I should probably just leave you alone, and let you run your mouth. SOS proves NOTHING in the discussion we were having. And I showed that. Laid it out, clear as can be done.



Exactly why "rankings" don't mean squat, especially 3-4 weeks into a season. OU isn't the best team in the country. Clearly. And just b/c we played craptastic ball, doesn't inflate Mizzou's worth.

I know you from the football boards. You're a blow-hard know it all over there, and now you are acting that way here. Forgive me, but I'll call you out on it every time.

OU played a down game after a game against a top 5 team the week before. I don't get OU's strategy last night I think Pinkell outcoached Stoops a bit but our talent was enough to win.
 
OU played a down game after a game against a top 5 team the week before. I don't get OU's strategy last night I think Pinkell outcoached Stoops a bit but our talent was enough to win.

Agreed. OU has a bunch of 19 and 20 year-olds that last week competed in an extremely emotional and intense game. Coming out a little flat wasn't all that surprising.

Nevertheless, Mizzou still showed that they aren't this miserable program that a poster or two has portrayed them to be, which has been the case for the latter-half of the past 10 years. That's all I was saying.
 
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Missouri is really solid this year. Franklin made some mistakes which was basically the difference but they've ran for 250 yards a game so far this year and will probably keep doing that because of scheme and talent. It's not like OU has OSU's defense which has allowed 200 yards rushing against just about everybody.
 
Most of what we have talked about here may not mean much if the new Commish has his way. I heard him say in an interview on Friday that he wants to see the conference go back to ten teams and stay there, at least for now.

He also said there is considerable opposition among current members to adding another Texas school. If so, that would appear to stack the odds against bringing in TCU, Houston or SMU. That could change of course. But that's the gist of what he said.
 
What do you think about adding Louisville ada? I was against it at first. But Louisville is just 300 some miles from Columbia and about the exact same distance from the south schools as Boulder was.

Louisville is a legit top 10 basketball program that would only get stronger when paired with Kansas. Their football program is on par with A&M and that's before they started getting more Texas recruits.

I don't want BYU and all their nonsense. Their products are fake. Louisville is a legit elite basketball program and equal to what we lose with A&M in football and geographically no worse than Colorado was.

And I don't want more than 10 teams. 10 teams with 2 in football and basketball that are consistent national championship caliber with 3 or so more on occasion is all you need IMO.
 
Texas doesn't want TCU or any other Texas school. I don't think OSU or OU does either. BYU on it's own adds a little bit but not enough to really change anything. We may be talking about Missouri leaving pretty soon if they don't agree to the 6 year thing. Louisville is decent, but they aren't as good a program as Texas A&M in football. Not even close right now in fact. They were good about 8 or 10 years ago.
 
Louisville went 12-1 and won the January 2007 Orange Bowl.

Please let me know when A&M won 12 games and even appeared in a BCS bowl. O yeah. Never.
 
Missouri is really solid this year. Franklin made some mistakes which was basically the difference but they've ran for 250 yards a game so far this year and will probably keep doing that because of scheme and talent. It's not like OU has OSU's defense which has allowed 200 yards rushing against just about everybody.

Yeah, Franklin's only going to improve with the more experience he gets. He's already a much better player than he was the first week of the season.
 
What do you think about adding Louisville ada? I was against it at first. But Louisville is just 300 some miles from Columbia and about the exact same distance from the south schools as Boulder was.

Louisville is a legit top 10 basketball program that would only get stronger when paired with Kansas. Their football program is on par with A&M and that's before they started getting more Texas recruits.

I don't want BYU and all their nonsense. Their products are fake. Louisville is a legit elite basketball program and equal to what we lose with A&M in football and geographically no worse than Colorado was.

And I don't want more than 10 teams. 10 teams with 2 in football and basketball that are consistent national championship caliber with 3 or so more on occasion is all you need IMO.

Even though Louisville's been down the last couple of seasons, over the last decade I think they've been on par with A&M as well. Maybe not from a resource standpoint, but on-field production they've certainly been splitting hairs.
 
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