How bad would adding TCU, Houston, and SMU hurt the others?

[boksooner]

No one from Missouri's made that commitment yet, despite what ESPN's been saying.

The SEC's comments now aren't all that different than what they were saying before A&M left the Big 12.

ESPN's misrepresented the SEC expansion story from the beginning.

The difference is that the SEC is being more specific in that they gave a specific time frame. Slive said that they do not anticipate having more than 13 teams in 2012-2013. There is obvious wiggle room there, but it is a little more specific than what he was saying before A&M left. Missouri could be in a very precarious position. They commit now to a Big XII in hopes that it stabilizes and expands or hang out for a year in limbo, hoping the SEC expands next summer. Mizzou is an engaged man with a mistress on the side. He'd rather have the mistress, but he doesn't know if it's for real and he may lose his fiance, if he doesn't commit soon.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't believe for a second the SEC has closed the door on adding another team for next season. They've said before that schedules don't need to be finalized until the end of the year.

IMO the SEC is simply trying to put a little public pressure on MU to make a decision so they can move forward with other options if MU decides to stay in the Big 12. Most rumors I've read suggest MU has a week or two to make a decision, and if they pass, the SEC will take West Virginia (and if they do take WVU, they will have to play a year with 13 while WVU plays out its time in the Big East).

And for what it's worth, I've read rumors of a meeting of the Mizzou BOC early next week.

 

[bocabull]

Missouri is irrelevant. Same as A&M and Colorado. Enjoy your 5 minutes because whether you stay or go when this is done you won't be heard of again for 20 years.

 

[thebigabd]

Missouri is irrelevant. Same as A&M and Colorado. Enjoy your 5 minutes because whether you stay or go when this is done you won't be heard of again for 20 years.

Agreed.

 

[WTSooner]

Missouri is irrelevant. Same as A&M and Colorado. Enjoy your 5 minutes because whether you stay or go when this is done you won't be heard of again for 20 years.

Yep. Mizzou won't make or break the Big 12. I don't care if they leave, I just want them to get it over with if that is what they are going to do.

 

[tycat947]

Yep. Mizzou won't make or break the Big 12. I don't care if they leave, I just want them to get it over with if that is what they are going to do.

What recent success they've enjoyed will quickly vanish in the SEC. They will be Arkie's bltch for sure! :ez-roll:

 

[bocabull]

Did I hear Saturday Missouri has not won in Norman since 1966? And A&M was hosting the first matchup between top 10 teams since the 1970s?

What a coup the SEC would get landing such "big boys". Lol
We could replace them with any nobody and not notice the difference.

 

[NickZepp]

It's not a good thing if we keep losing teams though. There's now rumors saying KU and Missouri are both going together to the SEC. If this happens we'll be down to 7 teams. Everyone else is going for 16 teams the Big 12 is stuck in reverse.

 

[thebigabd]

It's not a good thing if we keep losing teams though. There's now rumors saying KU and Missouri are both going together to the SEC. If this happens we'll be down to 7 teams. Everyone else is going for 16 teams the Big 12 is stuck in reverse.

I bet KU and Mizzou stay, especially KU.

There are going to be lots of rumors swirling around over the next few weeks and months, but they are probably just that, rumors.

Every school is going to talk about doing this or that, but I think the 9 will stay together and just add 3 more to get back to 12. Louisville, South Florida, and Houston being best case scenario.

 

[WTSooner]

There's now rumors saying KU and Missouri are both going together to the SEC.

Link?

No offense to KU, but I have a hard time believing the SEC would want them, especially without first exhausting their potentially "better" options.

 

[boksooner]

I bet KU and Mizzou stay, especially KU.

There are going to be lots of rumors swirling around over the next few weeks and months, but they are probably just that, rumors.

Every school is going to talk about doing this or that, but I think the 9 will stay together and just add 3 more to get back to 12. Louisville, South Florida, and Houston being best case scenario.

Replace Houston with BYU. UT, OSU, OU, and KU are strongly against adding another Texas school.

 

[thebigabd]

Replace Houston with BYU. UT, OSU, OU, and KU are strongly against adding another Texas school.

Why?

 

[Sawyer]

First I've heard of kansas being involved. As much as they like to play up their "good guy" role in the Missouri/kansas civil war stuff (there were no good guys in our region), seeing them in the SEC would be hilarious. Their arrogant would go into overdrive.

If the Big 12 does raid the Big East, that conference probably won't survive. The SEC, Big 10 and ACC could start looking at their leftovers, kicking off another round of expansion crap. Things have pretty much settled down for now except for Mizzou/SEC, but it all gets stirred up again when the Big 12 makes it's move.

Boca, it's no secret Mizzou went through three pretty rough decades after Devine left and the academics took over. We've been playing catchup for quite some time now, but do have leadership focused on the right things (both in
The athletic department and on the academic side). Pinkel, Alden and Deaton aren't perfect, but Pinkel knows how to build a sustainable program, Alden's done wonders as far as raising money and improving facilities and Deaton understands the value of successful athletics programs as a marketing tool for the whole university. Mizzou may never regain the position we held in the 60s as one of the nation's elite programs, but the dark ages of Mizzou athletics are staying in the past, as well.

On a similar note, fans of what if sports might find this interesting: http://www.shaggytruman.com/forums/...d-we-have-done-in-the-SEC-for-the-last-decade

Obviously it's not a perfect simulation, but according to the simulations at whatifsports, Mizzou in the SEC would have done just fine over the past decade (even more successful in a few seasons... Including two BCS games).

 

[NickZepp]

Texas won't add another Texas school. Which is more proof that they really don't want to add schools they would rather keep the same contract but with fewer schools so there can be more money to go around. With what Boren said there is no benefit to add teams to the Big 12 unless they add enough to give OU/Tx more money. If Missouri leaves maybe they add a BYU and stay at 9. I don't see the Big 12 going to 10, 11, or 12.

 

[boksooner]

Why?

They don't want to compete with another Texas school in recruiting. Plus they do not think they need another Texas school from a market standpoint.

 

[boksooner]

Texas won't add another Texas school. Which is more proof that they really don't want to add schools they would rather keep the same contract but with fewer schools so there can be more money to go around. With what Boren said there is no benefit to add teams to the Big 12 unless they add enough to give OU/Tx more money. If Missouri leaves maybe they add a BYU and stay at 9. I don't see the Big 12 going to 10, 11, or 12.

If they stay at 9, the Fox Sports tv contract becomes invalidated. There is no way they stay at 9, long term.

 

[Sawyer]

On adding another Texas school, MU is also strongly opposed if we stay. None of the possibilities in that state bring anything to the table to increase the size of the Big 12 pie. They simply make everyone else's cut a bit smaller. They would also chip away at the Texas recruiting of everyone except UT and OU.

 

[WTSooner]

Texas won't add another Texas school. Which is more proof that they really don't want to add schools they would rather keep the same contract but with fewer schools so there can be more money to go around. With what Boren said there is no benefit to add teams to the Big 12 unless they add enough to give OU/Tx more money. If Missouri leaves maybe they add a BYU and stay at 9. I don't see the Big 12 going to 10, 11, or 12.

That isn't right. UT not wanting another Texas school does not mean they don't want to expand.

I don't agree with them, but if anybody is against adding Texas schools, it is for one of two reasons. Either they don't want another school competing for Texas HS athletes, or they don't want the league to be so Texas heavy, as they interpret that as UT having some kind of power over the league. I understand the first one. I think the second one is stupid.

There are a lot of reasons to grow the conference. The obvious one being how sustainable is a 9-10 team conference, when most of the other conferences are already larger than that, and want to continue growing? I'm not saying add teams just to add teams, but the more teams you have, the more opportunities you have. Look at the Big East in regards to March Madness births. That brings notoriety to that league. The SEC has a bunch of football programs that can fluctuate behind Bama/LSU/UF and be dominating for smaller stretches of time (Georgia/Tenn/Auburn). Having a smaller conference, you limit the parity a larger league might enjoy.

The more conference teams that play in bowl games, or make March Madness, that is more money for the league as well. Conference Championship football games bring a lot of money and prestige to conferences. And simply put, I think the Big 12 will be looked at differently around the country if we stay small. I think we'll lose respect, which will translate into people voting differently in the football polls, and teams being left out of March Madness.

 

[Tony]

ShaggyTruman dot com?

 

[InExile]

Rumor out there today is we may see if either Florida State or Miami is interested in coming west. Guess we are too big to talk to USF those other directional, up-start florida teams?