How bad would adding TCU, Houston, and SMU hurt the others?

[Sawyer]

MU thinking it was an ivy league school was the direct cause of our downfall in the 80s and 90s. Babs Uehling (who came from OU... thanks for that) was the single most destructive force in MU athletics history. Until then, MU was more or less competitive with OU and NU (OU separated themselves in the 70s; MU was competitive with NU until the 80s).

None of the decision makers at MU have delusions of being a midwestern ivy. But they do care about academics and for that reason would like a spot in the Big 10. Moving to the SEC, though, would have nothing to do with that. It's more or less a lateral move (and an OU fan brought up academics, so not sure why you're loling).

 

[boksooner]

BYU is a joke. I never supported your ridiculous mid major fragmented suggestions of adding monkey high jokes like central florida, etc.

OU is the #1 football program in the nation of alltime according to ESPN. How we got there was simple. We have a huge rivalry with Texas and the state of Texas is loaded with elite talent. Nebraska, Colorado, A&M leaving did nothing to dent our model and they did nothing to dent Texas' model. We own and there is no reason to bring in some mid major 1,000 miles away who bring nothing to the table except their silly rules since they are owned by a cult and their mission to promote said cult.

That cult makes them an international brand. That's why they have a BYU TV network before OU. One that is in a hell of a lot more homes than the LHN. Though it isn't a dedicated sports channel, it does broadcast BYU sports to a national and international audience. BYU is about the only available team that can come close to replacing a share. Not to mention they are a solid program for both football and basketball.

 

[thebigabd]

BYU is a joke. I never supported your ridiculous mid major fragmented suggestions of adding monkey high jokes like central florida, etc.

OU is the #1 football program in the nation of alltime according to ESPN. How we got there was simple. We have a huge rivalry with Texas and the state of Texas is loaded with elite talent. Nebraska, Colorado, A&M leaving did nothing to dent our model and they did nothing to dent Texas' model. We own and there is no reason to bring in some mid major 1,000 miles away who bring nothing to the table except their silly rules since they are owned by a cult and their mission to promote said cult.

Ya know what the problem with your stance is? You dont have one!

• At first you wanted to bolt to the Pac-16.
• Then you wanted the Big 12 to stay as it was.
• Then you wanted them to add all Texas schools (including Rice, SMU, etc)
• Now you want them to play "marquee" games more than once in the same season and be the smallest conference in the country.

I cant remember if you ever supported a move to the SEC, but you probably did.

I am fine with adding several combinations of different schools, just as long as they add somebody. If you find an elite-level program, just add one. If you can only find up and coming mid majors, add 3 and get back to 12.

When this first started I said to add South Florida, Central Florida, and TCU. I would be fine with that. There are lots of good options (ranging from Florida schools to BYU to UNLV to Houston).

 

[Sawyer]

How we got there was simple.

Not really disputing anything you have to say. But OU also owes quite a bit (indirectly, but still...) to MU's Don Faurot.

Bud Wilkinson was an assistant under Faurot at Iowa pre-flight. After WWII, Faurot went back to Mizzou and Wilkinson took the head coaching job at Oklahoma. Not only did Wilkinson use Faurot's offense (an offense he essentially created and which would change college football forever), but Wilkinson also benefited from the recruiting connections he developed up there. Faurot chose not to recruit any of his old players at Iowa pre-flight. Wilkinson had no ethical qualms against that, though, and used some of those guys to kick start a legacy.

I'm not suggesting there was anything wrong with doing that, but Faurot felt there was (I actually wish he would've done it... would've helped Mizzou considerably).

 

[Sawyer]

Vanderbilt skews the averages considerably.

The real issue is that most SEC schools have lower admission standards than their Big XII counterparts. Is A&M and possibly Missouri going to be willing to lower their admission standards, so that they can get in the same type of players that their competitors allow in? I am not saying that there are drastic differences, but a couple of talented, but borderline cases getting into Arkansas, instead of Missouri may mean the difference between who wins and who loses.

Admissions standards for a typical student have nothing to do with athletics. Most schools hold athletes to different standards than others applying for admission. I believe all Big 12 schools use the NCAA minimum in determining whether or not to admit an athlete. There's no one an SEC school could take that Big 12 schools couldn't now.

In fact, I believe it's actually the other way around. I read from multiple SEC sites that Ricardo Ratliffe would have an easier time getting into MU than Arkansas or Alabama because the SEC has stronger restrictions on junior college players.

Vanderbilt doesn't skew the average much more than UT does in the Big 12. I'm not talking about averages, anyway.

 

[WTSooner]

There's no one an SEC school could take that Big 12 schools couldn't now.

Pretty sure this is not a true statement, but I'll have to hunt for my proof later.

 

[bocabull]

My stance has been rock solid from day 1. We stick with Texas above all else. And if we add any mid major into our fold that mid major has to come from Texas. I only supported the Pac-16 with Texas in the pod structure.

 

[Tony]

I don't know what I think

 

[boksooner]

I don't know what I think

Do you think we are doomed?

 

[Sawyer]

Pretty sure this is not a true statement, but I'll have to hunt for my proof later.

The one exception I can think of could be partial qualifiers. The Big 12 doesn't take them (see: Tony Mitchell). The SEC might (I honestly have no idea, although if they did I would think Mitchell to an SEC team would've made more sense than North Texas).

 

[bocabull]

Seriously, how in the world could anybody even consider adding a school that suspended a starting basketball player because he had sex?

BYU is a joke.

 

[campbest]

Seriously, how in the world could anybody even consider adding a school that suspended a starting basketball player because he had sex?

BYU is a joke.

Attended the BYU-San Diego State MWC tournament final in Vegas this past March...you couldn't find a bigger contrast in fan bases. SDSU reminds me of a Cali version of Texas Tech and you had the Mormons of BYU on the other end of the spectrum. Extremely nice people, felt kind of bad for them because the SDSU fans were hammered drunk (there were multiple tequila bars that served nothing but shots on the concourse) and just giving it to these BYU fans.

We asked the girl next to us about the Davies incident and they backed the administration 100%, very odd.

 

[boksooner]

The one exception I can think of could be partial qualifiers. The Big 12 doesn't take them (see: Tony Mitchell). The SEC might (I honestly have no idea, although if they did I would think Mitchell to an SEC team would've made more sense than North Texas).

There is also the issue of oversigning and placing kids in prep schools. While this happens occasionally in the Big XII (OU put a kid in a prep school that could not qualify), it is common practice in the SEC. Teams will regularly recruit kids that they know won't qualify or that they don't have room for and then place them in a prep school that they have a strong relationship with.

 

[bocabull]

OU and Texas would romp in the SEC just the same. Move the LSU and Florida title games to Norman and give them 15,000 tickets and who do you think wins? OU, easily both games.

 

[Sooner79]

If it's about adding television markets, then add BYU, Air Force, and Colorado State. Not the greatest, but better than a lot of alternatives.

 

[thebigabd]

Seriously, how in the world could anybody even consider adding a school that suspended a starting basketball player because he had sex?

BYU is a joke.

Because they are good at sports.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If it's about adding television markets, then add BYU, Air Force, and Colorado State. Not the greatest, but better than a lot of alternatives.

why would you add colorado state if you are adding air force?

 

[NickZepp]

If you want to just have proximity matter you really can't add much of anyone to the new Big 12. You have to go out of the box of this area to expand and add good programs that will fit the Big 12 and make it stronger so it can get a TV contract that will satisfy OU and Texas enough to where they aren't getting a lot less money. Adding Texas teams doesn't do this. TCU has about 30k in their stadium right now. I think they will expand to like 40k but that's still roughly 10k less than the smallest Big 12 football stadium right now(Baylor) TCU is vastly overrated.

Colorado and AFA don't add TV markets because nobody really watches them. Boise would be better if you want more TV sets. BYU, Memphis/Louisville, and Boise wouldn't be bad. Although Boise has a small stadium too. So does Memphis I think. But they have bigger TV bases to add.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Am I the only person really hoping that somehow the Big 12 can raid the Big East for Louisville, West Va & Cincy? Expand the eastern influence and would make for some great hoops.

I'm all for that Sam.....I would love to see that happen. West Virginia would be competitive in football as well. I wouldn't be opposed to being the first conference to 16 teams and adding TCU, Houston, BYU and one other (Air Force? UCONN?) Obviously, according to a lot of posters that would just make for a crappy conference but I don't see how it would be a bad conference ESPECIALLY from a hoops perspective! The football would be much better than people want to give it credit for.


We could shift to a East/West format:


BYU
Houston
OU
TTU
UT
OSU
Baylor
TCU


KSU
KU
Mizzou
ISU
WVA
Louisville
Cincy
???


for football it is definitely heavy toward the west but in hoops the east would be a bear.


Fun to throw around but extremely unlikely

 

[bocabull]

TCU Amon Carter stadium currently holds 50k and has the 1950s. They are in the middle of a $165 million renovation adding luxury suites, lounges etc. Place is going to be as plush as a MLB stadium.