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Since Texas is a backwards gun rights state with one of those hick stand your ground laws security was probably entitled to shoot him if he became a threat.

:ez-roll: Pray, tell us what you mean, boca? Is Texas "backwards" simply because you don't agree with the rights it affords law-abiding gun owners?

Now, if you said Texas is backwards because its citizens are … well … Texans, I would agree wholeheartedly. :ez-laugh:
 
no, off duty police working as security guards are NOT policemen. any more than you or I are a policeman. not sure where you got this but it is wrong. if they are not working in their capacity as a policeman then they are not a policeman. the operative condition here being did AD commit a CRIME in their presence. he didn't.

to assume Peterson is guiltless is wrong? HELLO??? You have a serious need for education. There exists in this country a very meticulous, resounding assumption of innocence. to assume otherwise is unconstitutional.

everything else you say is a lot of hot air, puffing, and braggadocio. L2lawschool and practice more crim law.


NO. Police officers are police officers 24/7. They carry their gun and badge and always have their arrest powers. There may be minor limitations from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Such as an officer may not stop everyone he sees run a red light when off duty. But, he will snag the DUI suspect. For you to argue otherwise is evidence you haven't done your homework. Use google.

Even the lamest of DA's will run around an 80% conviction rate. The plea outs and pay the fines after being arrested is higher than that. If someone is arrested for murder they probably did it. For you to think otherwise is evidence that you have watched too many Perry Mason reruns.
 
NO. Police officers are police officers 24/7. They carry their gun and badge and always have their arrest powers. There may be minor limitations from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Such as an officer may not stop everyone he sees run a red light when off duty. But, he will snag the DUI suspect. For you to argue otherwise is evidence you haven't done your homework. Use google.

Even the lamest of DA's will run around an 80% conviction rate. The plea outs and pay the fines after being arrested is higher than that. If someone is arrested for murder they probably did it. For you to think otherwise is evidence that you have watched too many Perry Mason reruns.
I'm not sure I'd want to tell a lawyer the law---well, some parts of it---matter of fact, I guess a lot of politicians need legal instruction, and they are lawyers.
 
to assume Peterson is guiltless is wrong? HELLO??? You have a serious need for education. There exists in this country a very meticulous, resounding assumption of innocence. to assume otherwise is unconstitutional..

This is funny. It's unconstitutional for intelligent people to assume some jackass getting taken down and cuffed at 3 am in a bar deserved it?

Any citizen can assume whatever they want and news flash the cops are right 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time we have due process where the state has to prove it's case behind a reasonable doubt with the proceeding beginning with the assumption of innocence by the court, not the citizens.

The blind loyalty people have to knucklehead jocks just because they wore an OU uniform is sad.
 
This is funny. It's unconstitutional for intelligent people to assume some jackass getting taken down and cuffed at 3 am in a bar deserved it?

Any citizen can assume whatever they want and news flash the cops are right 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time we have due process where the state has to prove it's case behind a reasonable doubt with the proceeding beginning with the assumption of innocence by the court, not the citizens.

The blind loyalty people have to knucklehead jocks just because they wore an OU uniform is sad.

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Why would you want to go to the club with your wife?
 
This is funny. It's unconstitutional for intelligent people to assume some jackass getting taken down and cuffed at 3 am in a bar deserved it?

Any citizen can assume whatever they want and news flash the cops are right 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time we have due process where the state has to prove it's case behind a reasonable doubt with the proceeding beginning with the assumption of innocence by the court, not the citizens.

The blind loyalty people have to knucklehead jocks just because they wore an OU uniform is sad.

How many people on death row have been exonerated due to DNA evidence? The truth is, I've instructed my kids and everyone I know to NEVER cooperate with the police without a lawyer present. Don't ever say a word to them if questioned.
 
How many people on death row have been exonerated due to DNA evidence? The truth is, I've instructed my kids and everyone I know to NEVER cooperate with the police without a lawyer present. Don't ever say a word to them if questioned.

Just push them instead.
 
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter if AD was provoked or not. It doesn't matter if better proceedures were available. It doesn't matter if the cop was an ass.

No, you're missing my point. I'm not speaking purely, or even primarily, of legalities. I'm questioning whether the cop may have played a role in an unnecessary escalation of hostilities with the attitude he displayed toward AD or his choice of language or the tone of voice he used. Again, we don't know that the cop was in uniform or that AD had any idea he was a cop, and we certainly don't know how the cop handled the matter.

And I'm questioning a system that (if you're correct about it) allows a policeman to retain all his privileges and powers as a cop even when he is employed by a private citizen. That's a screwy setup, affording police powers (and the arrogance that sometimes accompanies them, unfortunately) to someone who is being paid to value and protect one person's rights and property over all others.

As far as I'm concerned, those cops were bouncers -- nothing more and nothing less. When you have the power of arrest at your disposal -- not to mention two of your cop buddies as backups -- that's a perfect setting for the abuse of power. A cop should a cop when he's on the city clock. When he's on someone else's time clock, he should be considered a private citizen and be bound by the same rules that apply to those private citizens. Had that been the case -- had he not had the power of arrest -- he'd likely have been a bit more patient in dealing with a customer who wasn't leaving as fast as he'd have liked, and no one would have been inconvenienced, hurt, or arrested.

Bouncers in bars across the country wait out slow-to-depart patrons on a nightly basis without starting fights or calling the cops, and an off-duty policeman should be able to manage the same feat. If he can't, he's not suited to the job of bouncer (and possibly not to being a policeman).
 
The club GM is quoted in the article linked above as saying AD was wasted, admitted to being wasted, and was basically an a$$ on night.

For those that still think he is innocent of any wrong doing, please, let's place a wager. I could use some extra pocket money this summer.
 
Bouncers in bars across the country wait out slow-to-depart patrons on a nightly basis without starting fights or calling the cops, and an off-duty policeman should be able to manage the same feat. If he can't, he's not suited to the job of bouncer (and possibly not to being a policeman).

Don't disagree, but if a bouncer is pushed by a patron with intent, he is going to get his you know what kicked. If it is a larger man, they often call the police. Not sure what bars you guys are hanging out, but this happens quite a bit at "clubs" which aren't your neighborhood watering hole.
 
No, you're missing my point. I'm not speaking purely, or even primarily, of legalities. I'm questioning whether the cop may have played a role in an unnecessary escalation of hostilities with the attitude he displayed toward AD or his choice of language or the tone of voice he used. Again, we don't know that the cop was in uniform or that AD had any idea he was a cop, and we certainly don't know how the cop handled the matter.

And I'm questioning a system that (if you're correct about it) allows a policeman to retain all his privileges and powers as a cop even when he is employed by a private citizen. That's a screwy setup, affording police powers (and the arrogance that sometimes accompanies them, unfortunately) to someone who is being paid to value and protect one person's rights and property over all others.

As far as I'm concerned, those cops were bouncers -- nothing more and nothing less. When you have the power of arrest at your disposal -- not to mention two of your cop buddies as backups -- that's a perfect setting for the abuse of power. A cop should a cop when he's on the city clock. When he's on someone else's time clock, he should be considered a private citizen and be bound by the same rules that apply to those private citizens. Had that been the case -- had he not had the power of arrest -- he'd likely have been a bit more patient in dealing with a customer who wasn't leaving as fast as he'd have liked, and no one would have been inconvenienced, hurt, or arrested.

Bouncers in bars across the country wait out slow-to-depart patrons on a nightly basis without starting fights or calling the cops, and an off-duty policeman should be able to manage the same feat. If he can't, he's not suited to the job of bouncer (and possibly not to being a policeman).

If you are trying to present a case that some members of the human race are terribly flawed and they work within some systems that are also terribly flawed, well, OK. That is a given.

AD, as do most celebrities, live in worlds where the rules don't apply to them. But, that world has boundries. AD found out where it was at. That's all.
 
No, you're missing my point. I'm not speaking purely, or even primarily, of legalities. I'm questioning whether the cop may have played a role in an unnecessary escalation of hostilities with the attitude he displayed toward AD or his choice of language or the tone of voice he used. Again, we don't know that the cop was in uniform or that AD had any idea he was a cop, and we certainly don't know how the cop handled the matter.

And I'm questioning a system that (if you're correct about it) allows a policeman to retain all his privileges and powers as a cop even when he is employed by a private citizen. That's a screwy setup, affording police powers (and the arrogance that sometimes accompanies them, unfortunately) to someone who is being paid to value and protect one person's rights and property over all others.

As far as I'm concerned, those cops were bouncers -- nothing more and nothing less. When you have the power of arrest at your disposal -- not to mention two of your cop buddies as backups -- that's a perfect setting for the abuse of power. A cop should a cop when he's on the city clock. When he's on someone else's time clock, he should be considered a private citizen and be bound by the same rules that apply to those private citizens. Had that been the case -- had he not had the power of arrest -- he'd likely have been a bit more patient in dealing with a customer who wasn't leaving as fast as he'd have liked, and no one would have been inconvenienced, hurt, or arrested.

Bouncers in bars across the country wait out slow-to-depart patrons on a nightly basis without starting fights or calling the cops, and an off-duty policeman should be able to manage the same feat. If he can't, he's not suited to the job of bouncer (and possibly not to being a policeman).

The policeman in question was not in uniform.
 
The truth is, I've instructed my kids and everyone I know to NEVER cooperate with the police without a lawyer present

i hope you just worded this wrong
 
Don't disagree, but if a bouncer is pushed by a patron with intent, he is going to get his you know what kicked. If it is a larger man, they often call the police. Not sure what bars you guys are hanging out, but this happens quite a bit at "clubs" which aren't your neighborhood watering hole.

How do you know what his intent was? Maybe he just wanted the guy to get out of his face. Would that deserve getting locked up? Not in my book. But that's just my opinion.
 
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