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Aside from “just let the kids play where they want” being a terrible argument, if it happens I’ll be done with the sport. So I assume you are cool with midseason transfers without penalty? And unlimited transfer? Just let them play where they want right?
No offense, but there’s a reason “old” people don’t like it. It’s because they have experience and know what it will do to the game.
It’s bad for basketball and bad for building young men. Instead of earning time and fighting through adversity, they will just transfer when it gets hard.
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we are pretty much already there ..
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Wish I had known about that, Vbdad! I might have tempered my horn tootin on their behalf.
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I assume they're more strict on basketball than football.
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Hopefully, that will begin to change as it has with the football program. We really need a guy like turnipseed for the basketball program. Someone who can act like a CEO and get **** done to put the program in the best position for success. Someone who can align the donors and maximize everything to our benefit.
Let the coaches coach and recruit while the CEO organizes the donor base to give the coaches everything they need to succeed.
Ou compliance is not a value add at all. It needs to be gutted.
I hope you follow through on this.
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Honestly, I'm skeptical, on account of not being certain about our talent down low, but I hope you're correct.
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I generally agree with Bounce here. I really have no issues with NIL. I do have major issues with unfettered free agency, which is what we have now. I think it’s a negative for the programs and ultimately, a negative for the players.
I am NOT a fan of the AAU culture of “amateur” basketball. I will never be convinced that a kid that plays for 3 HS teams or goes to “school” at a house in Las Vegas is having decisions made for them in THEIR best interest. I think it’s mostly handlers, family, and opportunistic pseudo-agents clinging to these kids and shuffling them here and there under the guise of the players best interest.
The new transfer rules now extend that sliminess. Coach yelled at you at practice? Didn’t play as much in November as you hoped? Ah, the coach is screwing you— let’s look elsewhere. And anyone who thinks the “looking elsewhere” isn’t happening IN SEASON is beyond naive.
A lot of the argument for the transfer rules is that college athletics should mirror the “real world” where people can come and go as they please. You can be the manager at McDonalds on Monday and accept the same job at Burger King on Tuesday if that’s a better situation for you. I mean if we use that logic, then what’s to stop players from transferring in-season? What if a kid is buried on the bench at OU, but KSU has a spot for him? What if a good player is on a bad team? Should he be allowed to bail so he can play in the post season? If we go by “real world” rules then those examples should be allowed as well.
My take is that athletics is NOT the real world. It’s a world based on completion and entertainment. I think allowing the participants to reap more of the rewards (NIL) is fine. I do not think it is in the best interest of anyone for the portal to continue down its current path.
I am NOT a fan of the AAU culture of “amateur” basketball. I will never be convinced that a kid that plays for 3 HS teams or goes to “school” at a house in Las Vegas is having decisions made for them in THEIR best interest. I think it’s mostly handlers, family, and opportunistic pseudo-agents clinging to these kids and shuffling them here and there under the guise of the players best interest.
The new transfer rules now extend that sliminess. Coach yelled at you at practice? Didn’t play as much in November as you hoped? Ah, the coach is screwing you— let’s look elsewhere. And anyone who thinks the “looking elsewhere” isn’t happening IN SEASON is beyond naive.
A lot of the argument for the transfer rules is that college athletics should mirror the “real world” where people can come and go as they please. You can be the manager at McDonalds on Monday and accept the same job at Burger King on Tuesday if that’s a better situation for you. I mean if we use that logic, then what’s to stop players from transferring in-season? What if a kid is buried on the bench at OU, but KSU has a spot for him? What if a good player is on a bad team? Should he be allowed to bail so he can play in the post season? If we go by “real world” rules then those examples should be allowed as well.
My take is that athletics is NOT the real world. It’s a world based on completion and entertainment. I think allowing the participants to reap more of the rewards (NIL) is fine. I do not think it is in the best interest of anyone for the portal to continue down its current path.
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I completely agree. I think players should get paid and reap those benefits. However, the transfer portal need to be reigned in. It’s out of control and what is happening is not good for the game, the fans, or the programs.
They could revert back to the old transfer rules and everything would be fine.
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In addition to correcting the portal/transferring, they still need to cap NIL somehow and/or make it where it's at least for actual work that the athletes have to do IMO.. the law regulates what attorneys can get as a "reasonable fee", the sport needs some regulations or it will eventually be permanently ruined (if it isnt already)
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Your job cap your earnings like that? Lol.
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The pro leagues have caps for young players. And athletes have to commit to play for those teams for a specified length of time. And they can be traded to another team at any point in that first contract and they have no recourse. That's who comparisons should be made to, not Joe Average Fan who's busting his butt to provide for his family.
in many ways, college players--especially the highest rated ones--have more freedom than professional athletes do early in their careers. It's a different sport, but Quinn Ewers got a couple of million (I don't know exactly how much, maybe it was more) and couldn't come even close to cracking the lineup at Ohio State and zoom--he's off to texas for another payday (which, fingers crossed, he will earn the very hard way tomorrow against Bama). If a pro player could do that, fans would howl in protest. But college fans are supposed to just grin and bear it as sea change after sea change washes over the sports they love.
I have no problem with the players making some dough, but to compare a college student who has ALL of his needs taken care of, with an education worth tens of thousands of dollars thrown in for good measure, to an adult who works for a living, who has to put food on the table and a roof over his or her family's heads, is apples and oranges. And yes, I'm aware some college students have kids and maybe a wife, but they are the exception.
in many ways, college players--especially the highest rated ones--have more freedom than professional athletes do early in their careers. It's a different sport, but Quinn Ewers got a couple of million (I don't know exactly how much, maybe it was more) and couldn't come even close to cracking the lineup at Ohio State and zoom--he's off to texas for another payday (which, fingers crossed, he will earn the very hard way tomorrow against Bama). If a pro player could do that, fans would howl in protest. But college fans are supposed to just grin and bear it as sea change after sea change washes over the sports they love.
I have no problem with the players making some dough, but to compare a college student who has ALL of his needs taken care of, with an education worth tens of thousands of dollars thrown in for good measure, to an adult who works for a living, who has to put food on the table and a roof over his or her family's heads, is apples and oranges. And yes, I'm aware some college students have kids and maybe a wife, but they are the exception.
More times than not, I agree with you Coach...but you are not making anything close to an apples-apples comparison here. I believe there needs to be some competitive balance with college sports for a lot of the reasons already mentioned.
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This is still amateur athletics. The goal wasn't supposed to be paying for players. It was supposed to be the players getting some of the money back that they are earning for the universities. That isn't what is going on currently. Honestly, the best way to regulate this may be to have the schools be the ones paying. They are the ones making money off the players, why aren't THEY the ones passing that income on to the players? That would regulate the amounts to a much higher degree, but most of the schools don't have athletic departments that are flush with cash.
What a foolish comment this was though. Not even close to apples to apples.
