Kansas begs Nebraska not to leave the Big 12

It's starting to make sense for Baylor to join the Pac-10 since Colorado does not have baseball, softball or tennis which is a pretty big deal in the Pac-10.

If Missouri and Nebraska head to the Pac-10 it could work out best for Kansas.

You put Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado and Iowa State in the Mountain West along with Boise State and you have a heck of a conference. The Mountain West is already good enough for a BCS bid and that would make it a 100% guarantee.

This is best-case scenario....

However I do think the Mountain West should also add Fresno State. Add KU, KSU, Colorado, Boise, and Fresno and you have yourself a legit BCS league that is better than the Big East and ACC in football.
 
for the record, I hate to break up the Ann Richards lovefest on every message board and lazy media report... But she had zero to do with getting Baylor in the big12. Even though, she graduated from Baylor, she wore UT colors everywhere she went and worked hard to disown herself from Baylor. Bullock, Sibley and lobbyists were influential in getting Baylor invited to the Big12 but it was not at the expense of TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice. It was at the expense of BYU and another school- can't remember who it was versus TT/Baylor.

Baylor at the time was coming off a decent run in football: 10-11 versus Texas; solid winning records against all those other Texas private schools and about 10,000 more fans per game than any of those schools.

Baylor is likely to be tethered to the Texas teams this go around. People may not like it, but it is likely the reality. Baylor churns out a lot of lawyers, judges, lobbyists and politicians. These folks have political power in Texas. For example, a few Baylor alumni are in key positions of power with the public university fund (PUF) that controls so much of the money supply to the state universities. There are some skeletons out there- like big state schools borrowing tens of millions of dollars to meet budget shortfalls and then funneling the money to athletics. Some stuff that would be very embarrassing to explain if media spotlight was focused on it...

So I think you are going to witness lots of solidarity in Texas once things were fully explained about how the system works. People might not like it. And I am fairly apathetic about football. If Baylor landed with Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, etc... in a conference, I would be happy. But there are so many people making ignorant statements on the internet like, it is "all about television money and football." Of course, that is the driver. But it is also largely about politics. This is why OU can't go without OSU. Kansas can't go without KSU. And likely, the four big 12 South Texas schools are also married.
 
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for the record, I hate to break up the Ann Richards lovefest on every message board and lazy media report... But she had zero to do with getting Baylor in the big12. Even though, she graduated from Baylor, she wore UT colors everywhere she went and worked hard to disown herself from Baylor. Bullock, Sibley and lobbyists were influential in getting Baylor invited to the Big12 but it was not at the expense of TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice. It was at the expense of BYU and another school- can't remember who it was versus TT/Baylor.

Baylor at the time was coming off a decent run in football: 10-11 versus Texas; solid winning records against all those other Texas private schools and about 10,000 more fans per game than any of those schools.

Baylor is likely to be tethered to the Texas teams this go around. People may not like it, but it is likely the reality. Baylor churns out a lot of lawyers, judges, lobbyists and politicians. These folks have political power in Texas. For example, a few Baylor alumni are in key positions of power with the public university fund (PUF) that controls so much of the money supply to the state universities. There are some skeletons out there- like big state schools borrowing tens of millions of dollars to meet budget shortfalls and then funneling the money to athletics. Some stuff that would be very embarrassing to explain if media spotlight was focused on it...

So I think you are going to witness lots of solidarity in Texas once things were fully explained about how the system works. People might not like it. And I am fairly apathetic about football. If Baylor landed with Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, etc... in a conference, I would be happy. But there are so many people making ignorant statements on the internet like, it is "all about television money and football." Of course, that is the driver. But it is also largely about politics. This is why OU can't go without OSU. Kansas can't go without KSU. And likely, the four big 12 South Texas schools are also married.

Here is a lengthy article regarding that very topic:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083006dnspobaylortcusf.4bf22e33.html
 
for the record, I hate to break up the Ann Richards lovefest on every message board and lazy media report... But she had zero to do with getting Baylor in the big12. Even though, she graduated from Baylor, she wore UT colors everywhere she went and worked hard to disown herself from Baylor. Bullock, Sibley and lobbyists were influential in getting Baylor invited to the Big12 but it was not at the expense of TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice. It was at the expense of BYU and another school- can't remember who it was versus TT/Baylor.

Baylor at the time was coming off a decent run in football: 10-11 versus Texas; solid winning records against all those other Texas private schools and about 10,000 more fans per game than any of those schools.

Baylor is likely to be tethered to the Texas teams this go around. People may not like it, but it is likely the reality. Baylor churns out a lot of lawyers, judges, lobbyists and politicians. These folks have political power in Texas. For example, a few Baylor alumni are in key positions of power with the public university fund (PUF) that controls so much of the money supply to the state universities. There are some skeletons out there- like big state schools borrowing tens of millions of dollars to meet budget shortfalls and then funneling the money to athletics. Some stuff that would be very embarrassing to explain if media spotlight was focused on it...

So I think you are going to witness lots of solidarity in Texas once things were fully explained about how the system works. People might not like it. And I am fairly apathetic about football. If Baylor landed with Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, etc... in a conference, I would be happy. But there are so many people making ignorant statements on the internet like, it is "all about television money and football." Of course, that is the driver. But it is also largely about politics. This is why OU can't go without OSU. Kansas can't go without KSU. And likely, the four big 12 South Texas schools are also married.

I agree completely with the first highlighted part and pray that you are dead wrong on the second highlighted portion.

CU is going to be invited to the Pac-10.

If the four Texas schools insist on coming in together, they are going to get their way on this deal.

That leaves one spot open, a spot that for all intents and purposes should go to OU.
 
What about A&M to the SEC?

I understand the whole Baylor tied to UT thing... but not too long ago there were some articles about A&M possibly preferring to go its own way and explore the SEC option. That would also allow Baylor to go to the Pac 10 without knocking anyone else out.
 
What about A&M to the SEC?

I understand the whole Baylor tied to UT thing... but not too long ago there were some articles about A&M possibly preferring to go its own way and explore the SEC option. That would also allow Baylor to go to the Pac 10 without knocking anyone else out.

there is some saber rattling with A&M but I have on good authority that is not going to happen. A&M will be tied to Texas.

Interesting point about Colorado. They have an $8 million plus budget deficit in athletics. Getting a lucrative tv deal will help a lot... But Colorado will have to start up a baseball, softball and tennis team. No big deal, except land in Boulder is very expensive. Estimates are that you will need a cash infusion of over $20 million to start up these sports, build facilities, etc... And then you have the logistics of Colorado being over 600 miles away from their closest competitor in the new Pac10. That will guarantee lots of deficits in sports like softball, baseball, tennis, etc...

Colorado does fit in the Pac10 academically and also is similar in their liberal politics. But I believe there is a lot of hesitancy over the money issues. And you continue to hear more smoke that the Mountain West is having conversations with Colorado. With Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, BYU and Utah in that conference, it does make more sense from a regional standpoint. The television market in Denver is coveted, but in reality Colorado's ratings numbers have been poor since McCartney/Barnett left.

Perhaps bigabd can shed more light on Colorado's situation.
 
"almost sacred relationship..."

"Armageddon for our university..."


What a pathetic and disgusting email.
 
After reading that last article (and thank for posting that, I always wondered how all that went down), we can speculate all we want, but the schools the bigwigs in the TX Legislature attended will be the determining factor of who has to take who with them. Find out where the state leaders went to school. Then you'll know.

Which seems totally weird and unprofessional to me. Read the article though, it's pretty clear that's what was going on the last time they did this.. Big "my school isn't getting screwed over by your school" thing going on. Not as much academics and attendance studying as you might think at first. Sounds like they said "We went to Tech and Baylor, and we run the government around here that puts a helluva lot of money in your bank accounts, so...." And that's not as much speculation, as that's what that guy said in the article.

Interesting! What's more interesting is if a potential superconference says to a UT or OU, "Choose one to get left out or risk not joining any decent conference this year." That would make things crazy for Texas (and us, although not as likely).
 
Again, 10% chance it plays out this way, but I'd prefer to have that eliminated to 0%, and the only way that happens if OU [Boren and Castiglione] come out and say that they intend to fight for OU's independence from state politics regarding whatever may come of the re-alignment (if anything). That is the way things are set up anyway, they just need to remind everyone of it.

Has Boren and/or Joe C. commented on whether or not they are adamant about sticking together with Ok. State? Haven't heard them discuss anything regarding that subject.
 
there is some saber rattling with A&M but I have on good authority that is not going to happen. A&M will be tied to Texas.

Interesting point about Colorado. They have an $8 million plus budget deficit in athletics. Getting a lucrative tv deal will help a lot... But Colorado will have to start up a baseball, softball and tennis team. No big deal, except land in Boulder is very expensive. Estimates are that you will need a cash infusion of over $20 million to start up these sports, build facilities, etc... And then you have the logistics of Colorado being over 600 miles away from their closest competitor in the new Pac10. That will guarantee lots of deficits in sports like softball, baseball, tennis, etc...

Colorado does fit in the Pac10 academically and also is similar in their liberal politics. But I believe there is a lot of hesitancy over the money issues. And you continue to hear more smoke that the Mountain West is having conversations with Colorado. With Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, BYU and Utah in that conference, it does make more sense from a regional standpoint. The television market in Denver is coveted, but in reality Colorado's ratings numbers have been poor since McCartney/Barnett left.

Perhaps bigabd can shed more light on Colorado's situation.
Why does Colorado need to add all of these non-revenue sports? Those sports aren't going to decide who does or doesn't get invited to the Pac 10. I don't see the point in making a case against Colorado, because CU vs Baylor isn't even a contest. Baylor doesn't deserve to be in the Pac 10, but I'm afraid they will weasel their way in by riding UT's coattail.

Perhaps the importance of the Denver market is overrated because it's much more of a pro town, but Colorado is a much more attractive program than Baylor. People only watch Baylor games because they're fans of the other team. Financially Baylor adds nothing to the conference; they're a parasite living off the revenue generated by successful football programs. I don't know anyone who thinks Baylor deserves to be invited to the Pac 10 over Colorado despite the fact that Buff fans are widely considered to be the most obnoxious douches in the Big 12 (throwing batteries at visiting fans, vandalizing their cars, etc.). The opposition to Baylor probably stems from the fact that they've never fielded a competitive football team in the history of the Big 12, nor do they have any fans. 35k fans a game is mid-major quality attendance, and it's not like people are just staying home to watch them on TV. Considering the quality of the programs that will potentially be left out in the cold, it's sickening that a school with a football program as pathetic as Baylor's could potentially take the spot of any number of schools that have actually made a bowl game in the last 15 years.
 
Has Boren and/or Joe C. commented on whether or not they are adamant about sticking together with Ok. State? Haven't heard them discuss anything regarding that subject.

And I prefer it that way. 'No comment' is the most flexible position from which to act. Nebraska and Missouri may both be paying for flapping their lips.
 
Has Boren and/or Joe C. commented on whether or not they are adamant about sticking together with Ok. State? Haven't heard them discuss anything regarding that subject.

Me neither. Haven't heard ANYTHING from oSu on this either. Agree that they should probably outwardly support the B12 but expect they will do whatever they feel is in the long-term best interest of OU...am curious whether they feel that being handcuffed to oSu is part of that. Florida, Florida State, Miami and USF are all in different conferences; somehow everyone has survived that. I expect that a commitment to play oSu non-conference in all the sports would placate all but the most outspoken critics of any realignment that did not include OU and oSu being in the same conference.
 
I heard that the Oklahoma Legislature perhaps next session would push through a bill tying the two schools together. I don't know if it will happen, though.
 
I heard that the Oklahoma Legislature perhaps next session would push through a bill tying the two schools together. I don't know if it will happen, though.

Tells me that legislatively, there is nothing out there that governs the respective schools being "handcuffed" into being in the same conference. I wish someone would introduce it now so we could get a litmus test on whether it will be an issue for OU in the future. On the one hand you have legislators pandering for votes, keeping oSu and OU together may get votes if they both go to the Pac-10, or cost votes if both somehow ended up in the Mountain West. I would expect that the OU Administration would be fervently against any such legislation, I would expect that the oSu Administration would be fervently in favor.
 
Mr. B your misguided concern that OSU is going to lead to OU being in the Sun Belt is verging on obsession. Relax, we're going to be fine. I'd bet my next paycheck on it. And I get paid monthly :)
 
I heard that the Oklahoma Legislature perhaps next session would push through a bill tying the two schools together. I don't know if it will happen, though.

The next session is not until January, which I would imagine would be too late. I would think a special session would have to be called in order for that to happen.
 
Mr. B your misguided concern that OSU is going to lead to OU being in the Sun Belt is verging on obsession. Relax, we're going to be fine. I'd bet my next paycheck on it. And I get paid monthly :)

I have extreme paranoia, I'll admit it. But are you saying JUST the Sun Belt Conference or are you willing to include the Mountain West? This stuff can change on a dime, last week NU had its chest pumped out and this week they maybe said too much too soon. Mizzou has been running around like they are already part of the B10 for months now. This week, its we are OU of course we'll be fine. Next week, oh @#$%!
 
Why does Colorado need to add all of these non-revenue sports? Those sports aren't going to decide who does or doesn't get invited to the Pac 10.

Exactly.

Baylor getting the nod over Colorado due to politics is plausible, but they certainly won't get the bid because they have more success in little to non-revenue sports. From a sports standpoint, football is the only thing that matters. Basketball isn't even factored in the expansion equation (see KU).
 
Has Boren and/or Joe C. commented on whether or not they are adamant about sticking together with Ok. State? Haven't heard them discuss anything regarding that subject.

I haven't read that anywhere but I did read that Joe C was one the most adamant about keeping the Big 12 together as it is which I thought was interesting. Good for him.
 
I haven't read that anywhere but I did read that Joe C was one the most adamant about keeping the Big 12 together as it is which I thought was interesting. Good for him.

Yeah I remember him and Boren discussing that as well.
 
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