Kelvin Sampson news from ESPN

[Cheno]

I think my point was Sampson has been gone for over 4 years. My suggestion was that sane people would have moved on and not be hoping he goes to hell. The people ripping on Tiny should also relax, and hopefully in 4 years they will have calmed down. If not, I'll say the same thing about them, and that is that they are idiots, clowns, bozo's, whatever term you want to choose from.

Anyone still holding ill will to a point they get fired up enough to wish he was hell bound needs to get a grip, pull themselves together and re-assess their life. Wishing him well is another story, and that's not what I'm talking about. If an OU fan doesn't want to wish him well, that's fine, that is a reasonable and logical thought process.

I agree Play

 

[Big Old Booger]

I don't think so but it was more than an extra phone call per week. It was the arrogant attitude that went along with it. If he'd have manned up from the get go I think some feelings wouldn't be as harsh.
Nevertheless, some of the same people who still support Sampson and stick up for him are throwing a kid like Tiny Gallon under the bus in other threads and washing their hands of him.

Personally, I'd give kids the pass before the adults. The adults are the ones screwing up high school, AAU and college basketball, not the kids.

Your still pissed off he beat the crap out of your beloved jayhawks in the 2002 Big 12 tournament after the jayhawks went 16-0 in the conference.

Get over it.

 

[WaymanFan]

Your still pissed off he beat the crap out of your beloved jayhawks in the 2002 Big 12 tournament after the jayhawks went 16-0 in the conference.

Get over it.

C'mon, BOB. We've beaten Kansas four whole times in about 18 or so tries in the 14 years of the Big XII. I seriously doubt Cheno's opinions stem from one of those four victories.

I hope Kelvin lands a head-coaching job in the NBA. If he doesn't make the adjustment as to treating the players differently on that level, he simply won't last long. However, I believe he will make the necessary adjustments and be successful if given the opportunity.

 

[boksooner]

Kelvin's name has popped up for Cavs and Clippers, as well as the Bulls. Looking more and more like he'll get a shot.

 

[skyvue]

some of the same people who still support Sampson and stick up for him are throwing a kid like Tiny Gallon under the bus in other threads and washing their hands of him.

There are many reasons fans might feel more feel more loyal to Sampson than to Gallon.

1. He was here 12 times as long.
2. We experienced great success during his tenure in Norman, while, during Gallon's year in Norman, we hit the skids in unprecedented fashion.
3. Sampson's players played their hearts out, while Gallon was part of an overhyped group of players who definitely did not play their hearts out and, in fact, fell well short of what was expected of them, on the court and off (considering every single one of them had disciplinary problems).
5. Tiny spoke of being one-and-done early and often, during his recruitment and after, so this notion raised by some that we should feel sorry for him because he was in line to lose his eligibility and had no choice but to turn pro is hard to buy.

And while I'm not swayed by it, the fact that the NCAA has loosened somewhat the very rules that Sampson broke affirms for some the idea that his misdeeds were not all that great.

Similarly, if the NCAA were to decide next year that it was fine for coaches to arrange third-party loans for recruits and their parents, some might be more forgiving toward Gallon and OT.

As for blaming adults more than kids, sure, that seems reasonable. But OT's career is in the tank for a while, most likely, while Gallon's skating off to the pros.

 

[cowboysooner]

If someone wants to call what Kelvin did "cheating", then I'm OK with that -- I don't agree with that any more than I agree that speeding makes you a immoral lawbreaker.

However, you don't know what you are talking about if you call him a liar. In fact, we got screwed because he wouldn't lie. He candidly told the NCAA what he did and that he did it intentionally, all because he didn't think the NCAA considered it a big deal, or said othewise, he thought they considered it a minor violation. Sort of like teaching people to tap a shooter on the elbow until called or briefly arm bar a dribbler if he is going to go by you. He thought these were rules that could be broken.

If you want to call him a cheater, so be it, but he isn't and wasn't a liar.

As for whether Kelvin can coach pros, that's a tough question. Hard to say for the reasons stated by many.

 

[SoonerNorm]

If someone wants to call what Kelvin did "cheating", then I'm OK with that -- I don't agree with that any more than I agree that speeding makes you a immoral lawbreaker.

However, you don't know what you are talking about if you call him a liar. In fact, we got screwed because he wouldn't lie. He candidly told the NCAA what he did and that he did it intentionally, all because he didn't think the NCAA considered it a big deal, or said othewise, he thought they considered it a minor violation. Sort of like teaching people to tap a shooter on the elbow until called or briefly arm bar a dribbler if he is going to go by you. He thought these were rules that could be broken.

If you want to call him a cheater, so be it, but he isn't and wasn't a liar.

As for whether Kelvin can coach pros, that's a tough question. Hard to say for the reasons stated by many.

There are allegations that he lied during the investigation:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20080214/SPORTS0601/802140498/0/SPORTS0601/Worst-case-scenarios-loom

 

[InExile]

I think my point was Sampson has been gone for over 4 years. My suggestion was that sane people would have moved on and not be hoping he goes to hell. The people ripping on Tiny should also relax, and hopefully in 4 years they will have calmed down. If not, I'll say the same thing about them, and that is that they are idiots, clowns, bozo's, whatever term you want to choose from.

Anyone still holding ill will to a point they get fired up enough to wish he was hell bound needs to get a grip, pull themselves together and re-assess their life. Wishing him well is another story, and that's not what I'm talking about. If an OU fan doesn't want to wish him well, that's fine, that is a reasonable and logical thought process.

Okay, I admit "hell" was too strong. I'll go with: "I do not wish him well". I wish him to have to live in Ada the rest of his life and coach 8th grade girls. Is that a more acceptable punishment for being a cheater and getting us in the situation we are in? Or should he get a multimillion dollar NBA coaching gig and our full support? Maybe Eddie should make a come back and assist on the defensive end.

(sorry stevo, bok made me post this)

 

[sitka]

Personally, it would not bother me at all if Kelvin got a HC job in the pros & I would be happy for him if he were successful. I would just hope that he were better in his draft recommendations than he was at recruiting. If he can connect with players in the NBA, I believe he can be a good pro coach (better than the college coach he was) and as far as I can see, the phone-call issue then becomes nothing more than a moot point. While he would need to modify his philosiphies some, I think he can succeed at the pro level.

While Kelvin certainly wasn't my favorite coach of all time, I believe he is basically a good person who wants to win & I think he may be more suited to the pro game than the college game. Personally, I didn't like the way he left OU (but I am glad he DID leave) and I don't understand why he continued to abuse the phone call rule after he knew what the consequences were. I still wish him good luck.

 

[KanSoon]

ESPN talked about him getting the Clipper job partly due to his relationship with Blake Griffin.

If that happens "due" to such a relationship instead of "in spite of a negative relationship," I think we would have to reevaluate the commonly held opinion that if Kelvin had remained as OU's coach that we never would have gotten Blake.

On second thought let's let that one die, no good would come of stirring the pot again.

Good luck Kelvin and Boomer Sooner!

 

[NickZepp]

If that happens "due" to such a relationship instead of "in spite of a negative relationship," I think we would have to reevaluate the commonly held opinion that if Kelvin had remained as OU's coach that we never would have gotten Blake.

On second thought let's let that one die, no good would come of stirring the pot again.

Good luck Kelvin and Boomer Sooner!

That's just what some guys that hated Kelvin say. There's never been anything that's really proven true on that. We don't know if he would have gotten Blake.

 

[Max Power]

That's just what some guys that hated Kelvin say. There's never been anything that's really proven true on that. We don't know if he would have gotten Blake.

I have said that before, but that is more due to the fact of the classes Kelvin would have had here, not that there was anything personal between the two of them, IMO

 

[bestj]

If that happens "due" to such a relationship instead of "in spite of a negative relationship," I think we would have to reevaluate the commonly held opinion that if Kelvin had remained as OU's coach that we never would have gotten Blake.

On second thought let's let that one die, no good would come of stirring the pot again.

Good luck Kelvin and Boomer Sooner!

If Kelvin remained at OU, I would be afraid of what kind of sanctions the basketball program received when he got caught again with the phone calls.

 

[WaymanFan]

That's just what some guys that hated Kelvin say. There's never been anything that's really proven true on that. We don't know if he would have gotten Blake.

I thought this had long been put to rest. Blake Griffin has already said that OU was not on his list of schools until his brother Taylor started raving about Jeff Capel. I thought the article was posted ON THIS BOARD, but not 100% sure. For the record, I was never a "hater."

While OU would have never had Blake, I believe Kelvin would have made a deep NCAA run or two with James and Reynolds. Heck, both stayed 4 years in college. Ahh, the game of "What if?"

 

[Cleavon Little]

Big Kelvin fan here, and it's kind of common knowledge that Blake wasn't coming until Capel got here. C'mon.

 

[BigTime]

Big Kelvin fan here, and it's kind of common knowledge that Blake wasn't coming until Capel got here. C'mon.

No kidding. Coach Sampson is the reason that I became a huge OU hoops fan. Blake wasn't coming here if Kelvin had stayed. Blake came because of Coach Capel. Period.

 

[kansasooner]

Kelvin Sampson is the absolute man.

 

[boksooner]

Ooner!!!!!!

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I think my point was Sampson has been gone for over 4 years. My suggestion was that sane people would have moved on and not be hoping he goes to hell. The people ripping on Tiny should also relax, and hopefully in 4 years they will have calmed down. If not, I'll say the same thing about them, and that is that they are idiots, clowns, bozo's, whatever term you want to choose from.

Anyone still holding ill will to a point they get fired up enough to wish he was hell bound needs to get a grip, pull themselves together and re-assess their life. Wishing him well is another story, and that's not what I'm talking about. If an OU fan doesn't want to wish him well, that's fine, that is a reasonable and logical thought process.

Kelvin was probably my all-time favorit OU coach. He took the reins of the program at a time when we could have been easily lapped by oSu and not only held his own, but managed to annoy the hell out of their fans and their staff (and seemingly, the local media who was DYING to anoint oSu and Saint Eddie as the "basketball program" in the state). IMHO, and I've said this in the past, Kelvin was the equivalent of a human middle finger to quite a few folks who wanted to bury the success we had under Tubbs. I love that guy and wish him nothing but success in the pros.

 

[stoops4pres]

I thought this had long been put to rest. Blake Griffin has already said that OU was not on his list of schools until his brother Taylor started raving about Jeff Capel. I thought the article was posted ON THIS BOARD, but not 100% sure. For the record, I was never a "hater."

Exactly.