Kentucky No. 1, OU 20th in Fox Sports' latest preseason poll

[coacht]

LOL, reread your last sentence of the first paragraph. How can you simultaneously be considered Top 3 historically and an underachiever at the same time? That's hilarious.

KU is tied for #4 all time in NC's. How is that underachieving? You might want to lay off Grandpa's cough syrup!

Grace, do you think 2 NC's in the last 50+ years is not underachieving for a team with as many wins as Kansas? I will concede KU is by far the best basketball program in the conference, but that is not an impressive 50 years in my opinion. As an OU football fan, I would feel they had under achieved if they only had 2 championships in the last 50 years, with as many wins as they have.

 

[gracefor24]

Grace, do you think 2 NC's in the last 50+ years is not underachieving for a team with as many wins as Kansas? I will concede KU is by far the best basketball program in the conference, but that is not an impressive 50 years in my opinion. As an OU football fan, I would feel they had under achieved if they only had 2 championships in the last 50 years, with as many wins as they have.

coacht,

CFB and CBB aren't comparable when it comes to championships. It is much harder to win a title in a 64 team field. Apples to oranges, imo.

What I am saying is that KU is tied for 4th all time in NC's and that is probably what place they should be overall. I wouldn't say that is underachieving. I also will say that the schools will more titles all have quite a few before the field expanded. Some of those were won with 32 or less teams in the tourney. That's an important fact to note. Since the expansion KU has 2 titles, the only ones with more are Duke and UNC.

 

[Sooner04]

Yep, and 3 ties KU for #4 all time.

1)UCLA- 11
2) UK-7
T-3) IU-5
T-3) UNC-5
T-5) KU-3
T-5) Duke-3

By my count you're tied for 5th.

 

[Cheno]

Grace, do you think 2 NC's in the last 50+ years is not underachieving for a team with as many wins as Kansas? I will concede KU is by far the best basketball program in the conference, but that is not an impressive 50 years in my opinion. As an OU football fan, I would feel they had under achieved if they only had 2 championships in the last 50 years, with as many wins as they have.

:ez-roll: Madness, I say? Why 50 years? I thought we were talking historically? And historically all programs started at 0 wins so to say KU has underachieved is silly. They are top 5 all time in wins, championships, final fours. And again why 50 years? In the last 21 years no one has more national championships than KU except for UNC & Duke each have one more.
It's just silly to say "historically" KU has underachived. They are pretty much in the top 5 programs in all the major categories.
By using random reasoning I could probably make a case for every team in the country "underachieving" by picking out selective dates in their history.

 

[gracefor24]

By my count you're tied for 5th.

You say tomatO I say tomAto!

 

[bocabull]

Kansas basketball and Texas football are 2nd tier at best. OU football and Kentucky basketball are the big timers.

Kentucky will continue to have more success than Kansas in basketball just like OU will Texas in football.

Everybody with a brain knows that.

 

[coacht]

The only way I am saying KU is underachieving is in National Championships. If you are happy as a KU fan to have your school's dominant sport only having 2 recent national championships then good for you.

 

[Sooner04]

The only way I am saying KU is underachieving is in National Championships. If you are happy as a KU fan to have your school's dominant sport only having 2 recent national championships then good for you.

Starting in 1988, their basketball team has won two national championships.

Starting in 1988, our football team has won..........

 

[coacht]

I realize you can make stats look however you want. I am done with this discussion. I have said they are by far the best program in the big 12 and one of the top programs of all time. I will also agree that basketball championships are more difficult to win than football championships, but to me with all of KU's success and only having 3 tournament titles and 2 since 1952 is underachieving.

 

[IntenseDefense]

coacht,

CFB and CBB aren't comparable when it comes to championships. It is much harder to win a title in a 64 team field. Apples to oranges, imo.

What I am saying is that KU is tied for 4th all time in NC's and that is probably what place they should be overall. I wouldn't say that is underachieving. I also will say that the schools will more titles all have quite a few before the field expanded. Some of those were won with 32 or less teams in the tourney. That's an important fact to note. Since the expansion KU has 2 titles, the only ones with more are Duke and UNC.

Don't quite understand this sentence. Winning through an entire season of cfb and earning a place in the game/discussion is extremely difficult.

 

[NickZepp]

I'm not sure if Kentucky or Oklahoma are team in a top 25 team to start next season.

 

[gracefor24]

Don't quite understand this sentence. Winning through an entire season of cfb and earning a place in the game/discussion is extremely difficult.

Change CFB to a 64 team tourney and I guarantee you OU doesn't win as many titles nor make 4 title game appearances in this decade.

 

[Cheno]

Kansas basketball and Texas football are 2nd tier at best. OU football and Kentucky basketball are the big timers.
Kentucky will continue to have more success than Kansas in basketball just like OU will Texas in football.
Everybody with a brain knows that.

Well that pretty much sums up that one. :ez-laugh:

The only way I am saying KU is underachieving is in National Championships. If you are happy as a KU fan to have your school's dominant sport only having 2 recent national championships then good for you.

Yes, I am VERY happy with KU's recent success. The fact that KU has 2 recent NCAA championships in the last couple of decades and are behind only Duke & UNC who have 3 says it all. And really with the logic you are using UNC & Duke should have more than 3 if KU has 2. They certainly have had the most talented teams. The bottom line is it's extremely hard to win a college basketball national championship. To look at ONLY that is silly. And even when you do KU's is tied for 3rd at two in recent years behind only Duke & UNC. How is that possibly underachieving? Come 'on dude.

 

[Cheno]

Starting in 1988, their basketball team has won two national championships.
Starting in 1988, our football team has won..........

Correct me if I'm wrong but one right? Same number as the underachieving Texas Longhorns. Is that correct?

 

[IntenseDefense]

Change CFB to a 64 team tourney and I guarantee you OU doesn't win as many titles nor make 4 title game appearances in this decade.

The entire season is a tourney. Win and stay in the hunt.

 

[gracefor24]

The entire season is a tourney. Win and stay in the hunt.

Right but of the entire season you might play 3 really tough games. Win those and you are pretty well off. It is a HUGE difference to have to win 6 straight games to win a title, each game against increasingly difficult competition.

 

[IntenseDefense]

Right but of the entire season you might play 3 really tough games. Win those and you are pretty well off. It is a HUGE difference to have to win 6 straight games to win a title, each game against increasingly difficult competition.

A really great team, a contender, will only play 3 or 4 tough games in the tournament, starting in the sweet 16.

 

[gracefor24]

A really great team, a contender, will only play 3 or 4 tough games in the tournament, starting in the sweet 16.

If that were true we wouldn't see so many upsets. I agree it's not 6 games for a #1 seed but many times you are playing at least 5 difficult games.

 

[Sooner04]

The entire season is a tourney. Win and stay in the hunt.

What about a team that beats everyone on their schedule and finishes off the season by soundly beating the team that had been ranked #1 for nearly half the season and STILL doesn't finish #1?

College basketball is democratic.

College football is socialism. The Soviets would've loved college football.

 

[IntenseDefense]

If that were true we wouldn't see so many upsets. I agree it's not 6 games for a #1 seed but many times you are playing at least 5 difficult games.

And many times a cfb team must beat 5 or more difficult teams during the season. See ou in 2000