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[SoonerNorm]

Lol Deal Norm. No Harm intended- its all in good procrastination of things I should be doing aside from posting on OUHoops. But, fun it is. lol Lets get bk in the win column eh?

You bet! BTW, welcome to the board!!!

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Peyton is very disruptive on defense.

I have decided it is because in addition to her extremely quick hands, her arms are a little longer than normal, and offensive players get surprised by it - even if they know it's true. Lots of basketball is instinctive based on what has worked over the years you have played and it is hard to "fix" that for an unusual player.

I sometimes catch myself wishing she was a bit more athletic, but the truth is, she is athletic enough to accomplish more than many, many players on the Division I level. In other words, she is pretty athletic, but in addition she has some skills that are very rare at this level. I have come to really appreciate her, and enjoy watching her play. She competes very, very hard - and does not back down to opposing players.

She is a much better player at this point than Gabbi - but she has played a full year prior to this in the Big-12 - and has practiced a whole year in her redshirt season. Gabbi will be substantially better in a year or two. Plus Gabbi is playing a position (point guard) that requires many more skills than a 2 or 3. I want to clarify that I am not criticizing Gabbi in any way. She is really coming into her own and is helping this team in so many ways. She is already a better point than we have had in a number of years.

 

[soonerstar]

Her full year prior to this was the SEC, which is a better league than ours.

 

[sybarite]

I'm not so sure that I wouldn't label Peyton as the best defender on the team. Her primary weakness may be foot speed. But, the place where that might be exposed isn't all that much of a problem if our defense is functioning properly.

I've seen someone drive the baseline around Peyton with some regularity. But, that is also what Sherri wants them to do. If they are some distance from the rim and drive the baseline, it gives Kay Kay time to step in front of the driver, resulting in a trap on the baseline. It has happened a lot. Other than letting someone drive around her on the baseline, she seems pretty solid to me.

She has been getting some exposure for her steals, most of which seem to come at opportune times and result in breakaway shots. I noticed that the announcers talk about her ability to analyze where the passes will be going in order to step in front of them. She gets a lot of tips. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't lead the Big Twelve in tipped passes. She may not get it, but it often leads to loose balls. Last night, she just barely missed on several steals, tipping it, but right to a Texas player.

Maddie is tied for OU's lead in blocks in conference play, and she has played a lot fewer minutes than Kay Kay. Kay Kay and Maddie have seven. Vivi has six. The rest of the team has seven. She altered a lot of shots in a couple of games. Guards don't like shooting over Maddie. She blocked a shot by OSU's big girl. Meanwhile, she also seems to find unique times to steal the ball, like when an "all-conference" guard dribbles by her---almost. She has very quick hands and very, very long arms. Incidentally, Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

Let me repeat that. Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

 

[sybarite]

Her full year prior to this was the SEC, which is a better league than ours.

The rpi says otherwise.

 

[soonerstar]

6 SEC teams in thew top 21. How about playing 12 games against them home and home. 4 in the top 12. South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Texas A&M.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I'm not so sure that I wouldn't label Peyton as the best defender on the team. Her primary weakness may be foot speed. But, the place where that might be exposed isn't all that much of a problem if our defense is functioning properly.

I've seen someone drive the baseline around Peyton with some regularity. But, that is also what Sherri wants them to do. If they are some distance from the rim and drive the baseline, it gives Kay Kay time to step in front of the driver, resulting in a trap on the baseline. It has happened a lot. Other than letting someone drive around her on the baseline, she seems pretty solid to me.

She has been getting some exposure for her steals, most of which seem to come at opportune times and result in breakaway shots. I noticed that the announcers talk about her ability to analyze where the passes will be going in order to step in front of them. She gets a lot of tips. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't lead the Big Twelve in tipped passes. She may not get it, but it often leads to loose balls. Last night, she just barely missed on several steals, tipping it, but right to a Texas player.

Maddie is tied for OU's lead in blocks in conference play, and she has played a lot fewer minutes than Kay Kay. Kay Kay and Maddie have seven. Vivi has six. The rest of the team has seven. She altered a lot of shots in a couple of games. Guards don't like shooting over Maddie. She blocked a shot by OSU's big girl. Meanwhile, she also seems to find unique times to steal the ball, like when an "all-conference" guard dribbles by her---almost. She has very quick hands and very, very long arms. Incidentally, Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

Let me repeat that. Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

Great post.

 

[soonerstar]

I think the ACC is better also. 3 in the top 9. 5 in the top 17.

 

[sybarite]

6 SEC teams in thew top 21. How about playing 12 games against them home and home. 4 in the top 12. South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Texas A&M.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_sec_Women.html

Rankings are press. rpi supposedly compares schedules. Notice the bottom feeders in the SEC are really bottom feeders.

When is the last time anyone from the SEC other than Tennessee won a national title? Never? A&M did, when they were in the Big Twelve. Very few have ever seen a Final Four.

 

[scrybe]

"Anticipation" is the word I'd use to describe Peyton's amazing ability to pick off passes. I recall the play in the OSU game when she just abruptly left the player she was guarding, ran toward the girl with the ball, and was right there to pick off the pass and drive for a layup. It was just incredible. I have no idea how Peyton could possibly anticipate when and where that pass would be made. But somehow she did.

 

[sybarite]

I think the ACC is better also. 3 in the top 9. 5 in the top 17.

You don't like the conference any more than you like Sherri. lol

The ACC is ranked third. Ironically, none of their top four were originally ACC members: Notre Dame, Louisville, Miami, Florida State. The addition of the Big East helped.

But, the ACC has five teams rated lower than the worst in the Big Twelve. It may be a bit easier to make the top twenty-five if you have four or five guaranteed wins over soft teams, which seems to help the ACC and SEC.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I'm not so sure that I wouldn't label Peyton as the best defender on the team. Her primary weakness may be foot speed. But, the place where that might be exposed isn't all that much of a problem if our defense is functioning properly.

I've seen someone drive the baseline around Peyton with some regularity. But, that is also what Sherri wants them to do. If they are some distance from the rim and drive the baseline, it gives Kay Kay time to step in front of the driver, resulting in a trap on the baseline. It has happened a lot. Other than letting someone drive around her on the baseline, she seems pretty solid to me.

She has been getting some exposure for her steals, most of which seem to come at opportune times and result in breakaway shots. I noticed that the announcers talk about her ability to analyze where the passes will be going in order to step in front of them. She gets a lot of tips. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't lead the Big Twelve in tipped passes. She may not get it, but it often leads to loose balls. Last night, she just barely missed on several steals, tipping it, but right to a Texas player.

Maddie is tied for OU's lead in blocks in conference play, and she has played a lot fewer minutes than Kay Kay. Kay Kay and Maddie have seven. Vivi has six. The rest of the team has seven. She altered a lot of shots in a couple of games. Guards don't like shooting over Maddie. She blocked a shot by OSU's big girl. Meanwhile, she also seems to find unique times to steal the ball, like when an "all-conference" guard dribbles by her---almost. She has very quick hands and very, very long arms. Incidentally, Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

Let me repeat that. Maddie had as many fouls last night as in the rest of the conference games combined.

I guess, I don't notice Peyton as much getting beat. She always jumps out at me on defense making plays. I watch Maddie and Gioya for the better part of the game. Gioya's Strength speed and power are something to see. And Maddies speed, length, and fluidity- She's like a figure skater, doesn't play like one but her finesse reminds me of one. I honestly think thats why she gets so many foul calls, she's slim and so fluid- If you touch her, and she distorts in anyway it looks like a hard foul. Gioya will blow right through it on the same contact. Two great players to watch.

 

[soonerstar]

I think the ACC is better this year. I can not say that very much. You mention the new ACC teams. Remember, Maryland just recently left for the Big 10. The SEC is better year in and year out now with A^M in it. I like our league just fine. I am sure not as high on Coale as you are.

 

[sybarite]

I guess, I don't notice Peyton as much getting beat. She always jumps out at me on defense making plays. I watch Maddie and Gioya for the better part of the game. Gioya's Strength speed and power are something to see. And Maddies speed, length, and fluidity- She's like a figure skater, doesn't play like one but her finesse reminds me of one. I honestly think thats why she gets so many foul calls, she's slim and so fluid- If you touch her, and she distorts in anyway it looks like a hard foul. Gioya will blow right through it on the same contact. Two great players to watch.

I have said that I think Maddie has Stacy King Syndrome. We lost a national title because the officials simply didn't believe that Stacy King could possibly block a shot by the wonderful Danny Manning. When he did, he was called for a foul, even when it wasn't even close to touching Manning. King spent some time on the bench, and Manning ran wild.

Officials often call what they think happened. It would have been impossible for that to have happened. Gabbi blocked some post player's shot from behind earlier this year. I was stunned that they didn't call a foul. Little guards don't block post players.

Maddie does things that are so athletic that she is called for a foul when it was simply superior athleticism. Her hands are like the arms of an octopus, slipping around without damaging until they find their target. Courtney had some of that. They just didn't believe Courtney on a press against a point guard, and they called Courtney for a foul every time, not believing that her hands were good enough to steal from a 5-5 PG.

Maddie's hands are almost laser guided. They seem to arrive out of nowhere and get exactly to the target without touching anything else. I keep waiting for her to spin the top off the jar and reach in to get the crab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umYYoqaGl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_J8TuBkwE

 

[SoonerNorm]

The only dominate team in the Big 12 is Baylor. We are playing very well but not great. Other than ISU and an injured Texas team that can't beat a top 15 team without Enemkpali, which team in the league is dangerous?

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Syrabite.

You and I are on the Same Page here... I think she's on another level of timing, feel, vision and awareness. She doesn't have to take one shot to effect the game. Octa-Manning.

 

[soonerstar]

You are spot on, Norm.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

6 SEC teams in thew top 21. How about playing 12 games against them home and home. 4 in the top 12. South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Texas A&M.

The least accurate way (in the universe) to decide which teams are better is to look at the human polls. They are totally inaccurate - and are junk stuff in most cases. Just list teams by the season record, never (even for a single second) think about who a team has played - then throw in your personal biases - and you have the junked up human polls. The well designed computer polls (some of the rpi polls are also a mess and if you know statistics you are aware of that) are many times better predictors of game outcomes than the human polls. People are biased, uninformed, and in many cases not all that smart - you sat with them in class in HS and college.

Yes, we all want our teams to be listed higher in the polls - but being listed higher is not some factual statement about actual quality of the teams. Were the OSU girls really better than OU for the past month? The human polls said OSU was vastly better. Dumb. Really Dumb.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

The only dominate team in the Big 12 is Baylor. We are playing very well but not great. Other than ISU and an injured Texas team that can't beat a top 15 team without Enemkpali, which team in the league is dangerous?

I think that with, Gioya and Manning in the Line-up you could consider us dominate. I firmly believe that- One loss with those two in the lineup, and technically, they weren't in the lineup.

 

[sybarite]

Don't forget that we did, with the exception of a rather stupid call by an official in what was really the worst officiated game of the year, beat Kentucky, one of those great SEC teams, and we did it despite forty fouls and before we really became a team.