Kruger addresses Smart situation with team

[Section31]

I think something being lost here is the actual cheap play that caused all of this. Smart tackled a guy with a wide open dunk. I'm sure Orr was riding him the whole game, but that's not what we're discussing. In this situation, are you sure you wouldn't call him the same?

Edit: on further review, not nearly as bad as I thought.

 

[opsooner]

Parson me sir, please get off the floor and pass me the Grey Poupon.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I think something being lost here is the actual cheap play that caused all of this. Smart tackled a guy with a wide open dunk. I'm sure Orr was riding him the whole game, but that's not what we're discussing. In this situation, are you sure you wouldn't call him the same?

Edit: on further review, not nearly as bad as I thought.

section31?

 

[Section31]

section31?

Hahahaha

 

[DenverSooner]

Some of you are nuts. Heckling at sporting events is an American tradition. We start it with grade school children playing baseball when they chant "Hey Batter Batter, Swing". Players talk sh!t to each others. Fans insult players, officials and coaches. By the time you get to college sports the heckling is more intense and often more offensive.

Calling a player a piece of crap is no big deal. Most of us probably wouldn't do it but it is not so outrageous that it justifies what happened. The coaches curse at their own players, the officials, each other and probably even the opposing players. Who can forget Temple's coach threatening Calipari in a post game press conference. Travis Ford recently heckled a free throw shooter. These things happen at sporting events.

This is all on Marcus Smart. I truly don't understand why liberals need to attempt to make this something it isn't. I am sure Ryan Minor was called far worse in Stillwater. The fans in Norman chanted Jethro at Big Country. The OU fans were all over Jason Sutherland from Missouri. None of those guys lost their temper. Smart isn't a horrible person for losing his temper but he did make a major mistake and it is on him.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Thank you Denver... I feel like I'm taking crazy pills listening to all the libs in the media

 

[garyeb2]

Thank you Denver... I feel like I'm taking crazy pills listening to all the libs in the media

You are taking crazy pills if you think that you can find a liberal among the Oklahoma media. Or ESPN for that matter. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue.

This is simply a bunch of jock sniffing sports groupies sitting in front of a camera and defaulting to the side of the ball player. I would agree that this is all on Smart and he got off light. And I can assure you that I don't feel that way because I have conservative leanings.

 

[sooner 1234]

Exactly this country is becoming ridiculous...... Now Smart is the VICTIM> He didn't do anything wrong but assault a fan, during a basketball game, and then fasly accuse him of racism which is slander.
Im so sick of this equality bull****.
Hell OJ may have killed his wife and her boyfriend, but the cop was dumbass racist(which he was) so lets turn our focus away from a double homicide and put the spot light on him. Instead of the actual crime.
The truth behind it all is this has been building in smart for MONTHS> Hes frustrated with losing games, losing money, calls not going his way, hes had other fits during games and it came to the boiling point when a turnover basically sealed another loss......and some dumbass fan mouthed at him......and he went off.
In this country everyone wants to point to finger at someone else for their mistakes. Its not my fault I screwed up, its your. Accountability is lost today in America.
I didn't get that job, well hes racist. I didn't make a good grade on that test, well its culturally bias.
It just drives me crazy people think smart was happy go lucky and instantly he went off.You saw the chair episode 3 weeks ago , did it call him the n word too?
Truth is if Smart did make up the racist remark just to save face........then he really is a piece of crap and that guy was just telling the truth.
Players have been cursed at, spit on, things throw at them, family members called horrible names......100, 000 ex college players handed it with CLASS the last 75 years ....even if the fans didn't. Now this already pissed off player gets called a name and goes after a fan in the stands.....and that's alright????

The ncaa should have made an example out of smart and suspened him for the YEAR.

 

[DenverSooner]

You are taking crazy pills if you think that you can find a liberal among the Oklahoma media. Or ESPN for that matter. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue.

This is simply a bunch of jock sniffing sports groupies sitting in front of a camera and defaulting to the side of the ball player. I would agree that this is all on Smart and he got off light. And I can assure you that I don't feel that way because I have conservative leanings.

Olberman works for ESPN, he is a massive liberal. I wouldn't know if the Oklahoma media is liberal or not but I would suspect they are more liberal than the general population of Oklahoma. Regardless, I was talking about the media. I was referencing people on this message board.

 

[skyvue]

I truly don't understand why liberals need to attempt to make this something it isn't.

And I truly don't understand why you so often feel the need to interject politics into sports discussions. You do it here; you do it on the Hale board -- why? Can you not consider these issues within some other paradigm than politics?

This'll blow your mind: I'm a progressive liberal, and I think Marcus Smart was dead wrong to do what he did. I think a three-game suspension was the absolute minimum punishment he should have received.

But I also think a lard-assed fifty-something (and I speak as a fifty-something myself) who couldn't run from here to the corner if there was an extra-large pizza waiting for him there has no business calling a 19- or 20-year-old world-class athlete a "piece of crap."

I've been going to sporting events for 45 years and I've never called an opposing player anything like "piece of crap." I've yelled my head off, I've booed bad calls, and I've laughed at jabs made at opposing players by fans more clever than me.

I was there for Ethan Aroni's legendary appearance at LNC, for pete's sake. Never has one player gotten more attention from an opposing fanbase than did E that night. But I don't think anyone called him a "piece of crap" or anything like it. They found other ways to have fun at his expense (and by the end of the night, his good-natured approach to the game had largely won those hostile fans over).

I take a back seat to no one in my passion for all things Sooners, and my competitive juices get flowing like crazy during a game (ask the Michigan State fans who were seated near me during our game earlier this season in Brooklyn -- I'm sure they still joke about the loud-mouthed Sooner fan when they gather for a beer after a game). But if I want to get under a player's skin, I'll find another, hopefully cleverer way of doing it than calling him a piece of crap. The word "crap" is more acceptable in the public sphere than it once was, but, let's face it, it has a very specific meaning that is quite insulting.

Are there worse things Orr could have said? Absolutely. He still shouldn't have said what he did.

And even if he said some of those worse things, Smart never should have laid a hand on him -- or even climbed those two additional rows to confront him face to face.

So says this liberal.

 

[Max Power]

You are taking crazy pills if you think that you can find a liberal among the Oklahoma media. Or ESPN for that matter. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue.

This is simply a bunch of jock sniffing sports groupies sitting in front of a camera and defaulting to the side of the ball player. I would agree that this is all on Smart and he got off light. And I can assure you that I don't feel that way because I have conservative leanings.

among espn? thats easy Keith Olberman, Bomani Jones, Rob Parker, Jemele Hill, Michale Smith, need i go on?

 

[Ham]

This could only be a liberal/conservative issue to conservatives that believe that everything that doesn't conform to their alternate reality is because of 'liberalism'. It's a very short-sighted and naive way to look at the world. Sad. And a major part of the reason we have the Govt that we have, the staus quo = because of this paradigm.

Asking/hoping that the TTU fan would behave like something other than a complete jackhole is "soft" and "liberal". While if I, myself, bought into this absolutely silly Us vs Them paradigm (only created by political operatives to win elections - only because IT WORKS), I'd be continually defending the rights of knuckledragging rednecks because that's the only way I could see the issue. After all, it's only Us or Them, please don't apply any thought.

I don't check the forum as often as some of you and I certainly don't contribute as often as some of you but this is about the dumbest thing I've ever read here. Turning this issue into some kind of political nonsense only exposes the people doing it.

You don't have to be a "liberal" (meaning the stereotype, the same way cro-mags like Shaun Hannity use the term) to want ADULTS that should know better to NOT personally insult opposing players like that. "You suck" is all about sports and as far as I'm concerned, perfectly acceptable. Anyone getting upset by that needs to check themselves. But "piece of crap" is personal. It's a "soft" way of saying piece of sh*t. Is that okay? Maybe when I was 15-25 years old, as a fan, I said similar stuff to opposing players. And then I grew up. That's what a lot of "liberals" (again, using the stereotype, which actually applies to many self-described conservatives) are. Grown ups that never stopped thinking, never stopped being curious about the world around them.

Again, that's not to say we'd necessarily define ourselves as bona fide liberals, just that according to the alternate reality folks (say, FOX News watchers)...most of us are considered liberals for being remotely thoughtful.

To sum, if you're using the term "liberal" or "conservative" to summarily dismiss a view - without addressing the view itself - then I'm talking about you. Consider yourself insulted. Just don't get "soft" and offended by it.

 

[garyeb2]

among espn? thats easy Keith Olberman, Bomani Jones, Rob Parker, Jemele Hill, Michale Smith, need i go on?

You can if you like. Then I can list the likely conservatives. I just don't think anyone can draw a conservative or liberal line though this issue.

 

[Max Power]

You can if you like. Then I can list the likely conservatives. I just don't think anyone can draw a conservative or liberal line though this issue.

Its not a liberal or Conservative issue. It is an issue between two people that SHOULD know better making really STUPID decision, that just so happens to really affect or instate rival. I simply pointed out liberals at ESPN because you couldn't think of any and those are five off the top of my head that have admitted to being liberal on twitter.

 

[skyvue]

This could only be a liberal/conservative issue to conservatives that believe that everything that doesn't conform to their alternate reality is because of 'liberalism'. It's a very short-sighted and naive way to look at the world. Sad. And a major part of the reason we have the Govt that we have, the staus quo = because of this paradigm.

Asking/hoping that the TTU fan would behave like something other than a complete jackhole is "soft" and "liberal". While if I, myself, bought into this absolutely silly Us vs Them paradigm (only created by political operatives to win elections - only because IT WORKS), I'd be continually defending the rights of knuckledragging rednecks because that's the only way I could see the issue. After all, it's only Us or Them, please don't apply any thought.

I don't check the forum as often as some of you and I certainly don't contribute as often as some of you but this is about the dumbest thing I've ever read here. Turning this issue into some kind of political nonsense only exposes the people doing it.

You don't have to be a "liberal" (meaning the stereotype, the same way cro-mags like Shaun Hannity use the term) to want ADULTS that should know better to NOT personally insult opposing players like that. "You suck" is all about sports and as far as I'm concerned, perfectly acceptable. Anyone getting upset by that needs to check themselves. But "piece of crap" is personal. It's a "soft" way of saying piece of sh*t. Is that okay? Maybe when I was 15-25 years old, as a fan, I said similar stuff to opposing players. And then I grew up. That's what a lot of "liberals" (again, using the stereotype, which actually applies to many self-described conservatives) are. Grown ups that never stopped thinking, never stopped being curious about the world around them.

Again, that's not to say we'd necessarily define ourselves as bona fide liberals, just that according to the alternate reality folks (say, FOX News watchers)...most of us are considered liberals for being remotely thoughtful.

To sum, if you're using the term "liberal" or "conservative" to summarily dismiss a view - without addressing the view itself - then I'm talking about you. Consider yourself insulted. Just don't get "soft" and offended by it.

Nicely put. Thank you.

 

[AdaSooner]

Guys, if you don't want to see this thread locked, do the admins here a favor and keep politics out of the discussion. I think you're all capable of making your point without getting into the liberal-conservative nonsense that can only lead to trouble, not to mention a thread that won't be available anymore.

Please! I'm asking you to stop now.

 

[Section31]

There's only one person that made a bad decision in this incident...no matter how fat and old some fan sitting on the baseline is.

 

[tycat947]

And I truly don't understand why you so often feel the need to interject politics into sports discussions. You do it here; you do it on the Hale board -- why? Can you not consider these issues within some other paradigm than politics?

This'll blow your mind: I'm a progressive liberal, and I think Marcus Smart was dead wrong to do what he did. I think a three-game suspension was the absolute minimum punishment he should have received.

But I also think a lard-assed fifty-something (and I speak as a fifty-something myself) who couldn't run from here to the corner if there was an extra-large pizza waiting for him there has no business calling a 19- or 20-year-old world-class athlete a "piece of crap."

I've been going to sporting events for 45 years and I've never called an opposing player anything like "piece of crap." I've yelled my head off, I've booed bad calls, and I've laughed at jabs made at opposing players by fans more clever than me.

I was there for Ethan Aroni's legendary appearance at LNC, for pete's sake. Never has one player gotten more attention from an opposing fanbase than did E that night. But I don't think anyone called him a "piece of crap" or anything like it. They found other ways to have fun at his expense (and by the end of the night, his good-natured approach to the game had largely won those hostile fans over).

I take a back seat to no one in my passion for all things Sooners, and my competitive juices get flowing like crazy during a game (ask the Michigan State fans who were seated near me during our game earlier this season in Brooklyn -- I'm sure they still joke about the loud-mouthed Sooner fan when they gather for a beer after a game). But if I want to get under a player's skin, I'll find another, hopefully cleverer way of doing it than calling him a piece of crap. The word "crap" is more acceptable in the public sphere than it once was, but, let's face it, it has a very specific meaning that is quite insulting.

Are there worse things Orr could have said? Absolutely. He still shouldn't have said what he did.

And even if he said some of those worse things, Smart never should have laid a hand on him -- or even climbed those two additional rows to confront him face to face.

So says this liberal.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[tycat947]

This could only be a liberal/conservative issue to conservatives that believe that everything that doesn't conform to their alternate reality is because of 'liberalism'. It's a very short-sighted and naive way to look at the world. Sad. And a major part of the reason we have the Govt that we have, the staus quo = because of this paradigm.

Asking/hoping that the TTU fan would behave like something other than a complete jackhole is "soft" and "liberal". While if I, myself, bought into this absolutely silly Us vs Them paradigm (only created by political operatives to win elections - only because IT WORKS), I'd be continually defending the rights of knuckledragging rednecks because that's the only way I could see the issue. After all, it's only Us or Them, please don't apply any thought.

I don't check the forum as often as some of you and I certainly don't contribute as often as some of you but this is about the dumbest thing I've ever read here. Turning this issue into some kind of political nonsense only exposes the people doing it.

You don't have to be a "liberal" (meaning the stereotype, the same way cro-mags like Shaun Hannity use the term) to want ADULTS that should know better to NOT personally insult opposing players like that. "You suck" is all about sports and as far as I'm concerned, perfectly acceptable. Anyone getting upset by that needs to check themselves. But "piece of crap" is personal. It's a "soft" way of saying piece of sh*t. Is that okay? Maybe when I was 15-25 years old, as a fan, I said similar stuff to opposing players. And then I grew up. That's what a lot of "liberals" (again, using the stereotype, which actually applies to many self-described conservatives) are. Grown ups that never stopped thinking, never stopped being curious about the world around them.

Again, that's not to say we'd necessarily define ourselves as bona fide liberals, just that according to the alternate reality folks (say, FOX News watchers)...most of us are considered liberals for being remotely thoughtful.

To sum, if you're using the term "liberal" or "conservative" to summarily dismiss a view - without addressing the view itself - then I'm talking about you. Consider yourself insulted. Just don't get "soft" and offended by it.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[sybarite]

And I truly don't understand why you so often feel the need to interject politics into sports discussions. You do it here; you do it on the Hale board -- why? Can you not consider these issues within some other paradigm than politics?

This'll blow your mind: I'm a progressive liberal, and I think Marcus Smart was dead wrong to do what he did. I think a three-game suspension was the absolute minimum punishment he should have received.

But I also think a lard-assed fifty-something (and I speak as a fifty-something myself) who couldn't run from here to the corner if there was an extra-large pizza waiting for him there has no business calling a 19- or 20-year-old world-class athlete a "piece of crap."

I've been going to sporting events for 45 years and I've never called an opposing player anything like "piece of crap." I've yelled my head off, I've booed bad calls, and I've laughed at jabs made at opposing players by fans more clever than me.

I was there for Ethan Aroni's legendary appearance at LNC, for pete's sake. Never has one player gotten more attention from an opposing fanbase than did E that night. But I don't think anyone called him a "piece of crap" or anything like it. They found other ways to have fun at his expense (and by the end of the night, his good-natured approach to the game had largely won those hostile fans over).

I take a back seat to no one in my passion for all things Sooners, and my competitive juices get flowing like crazy during a game (ask the Michigan State fans who were seated near me during our game earlier this season in Brooklyn -- I'm sure they still joke about the loud-mouthed Sooner fan when they gather for a beer after a game). But if I want to get under a player's skin, I'll find another, hopefully cleverer way of doing it than calling him a piece of crap. The word "crap" is more acceptable in the public sphere than it once was, but, let's face it, it has a very specific meaning that is quite insulting.

Are there worse things Orr could have said? Absolutely. He still shouldn't have said what he did.

And even if he said some of those worse things, Smart never should have laid a hand on him -- or even climbed those two additional rows to confront him face to face.

So says this liberal.

Amen.