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[thebigabd]

The two of you would run the sorriest program in NCAA history.

Mine would be run in accordance with the most successful run in OU basketball history... You guys are the ones saying that is a bad idea.

 

[Matthew G]

Mine would be run in accordance with the most successful run in OU basketball history... You guys are the ones saying that is a bad idea.

Disagree but let’s put this to the test, top 4 JUCO guys you think OU should have gone after this year that they didn’t? Hopefully you don’t run to a JUCO site and choose their top 4, but let’s see some names so we can go back and see what they did in 2 years.

 

[pnkranger]

Mine would be run in accordance with the most successful run in OU basketball history... You guys are the ones saying that is a bad idea.

Times change.

 

[hoopsaustin]

+1. Usually if you went to JUCO in the 1st place means you probably got some baggage. Baylor takes a bunch of questionable characters and there are tons of stories out there about Hoiberg when he was at ISU about how players wouldn't show up to practice but still play. I trust Lon and his philosophy over some of these Henry Hindsights.

The dude can't get it into his head that it's not ncaa video game recruiting.. there's a lot to consider and some guys just don't fit even if they're within a 2 hour drive and you'll inevitably miss out on some guys too. That's recruiting

 

[hoopsaustin]

Disagree but let’s put this to the test, top 4 JUCO guys you think OU should have gone after this year that they didn’t? Hopefully you don’t run to a JUCO site and choose their top 4, but let’s see some names so we can go back and see what they did in 2 years.

Would be fun and prolly funny.

 

[TINY]

Mine would be run in accordance with the most successful run in OU basketball history... You guys are the ones saying that is a bad idea.

Why don’t we just emulate Adolph Rupp’s run at Kentucky and just recruit white guys? Seemed to work well back then. How’s that sound?

 

[TINY]

Disagree but let’s put this to the test, top 4 JUCO guys you think OU should have gone after this year that they didn’t? Hopefully you don’t run to a JUCO site and choose their top 4, but let’s see some names so we can go back and see what they did in 2 years.

ABD put his list of jucos out there in a different post. He is putting his neck out there this time so we can revisit in a couple years.

 

[thebigabd]

ABD put his list of jucos out there in a different post. He is putting his neck out there this time so we can revisit in a couple years.

Yep... Ricky Torres vs. Aaron Calixte… Devonte Bandoo vs Miles Reynolds... Antun Miricevic and let Freeman go.... The only other guy I have consistently tracked outside of those 3 that was Shane Gatling from Indian Hills but he signed with Colorado relatively early in the late period and OU would have had to not take Bienemy or let Lazenby go to get him, plus there was never any documented interest anywhere between Gatling and OU. He really fit a team need though.

Ricky Torres - Wichita State
Devonte Bandoo - Baylor
Antun Miricevic - South Florida
Shane Gatling - Colorado

If I was signing a class this year it would have been these 4 guys and Bienemy. But again, would have to let Freeman/Lazenby go to do it. Hands were tied a bit...

Will see how they do comparatively. As Tiny said, I have stuck my neck out a bit.

Last year I *****ed about Juiston and a few others, and while those were guys I wanted OU to sign I didn't officially declare it so it looks like they were cherry-picked.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yep... Ricky Torres vs. Aaron Calixte… Devonte Bandoo vs Miles Reynolds... Antun Miricevic and let Freeman go.... The only other guy I have consistently tracked outside of those 3 that was Shane Gatling from Indian Hills but he signed with Colorado relatively early in the late period and OU would have had to not take Bienemy or let Lazenby go to get him, plus there was never any documented interest anywhere between Gatling and OU. He really fit a team need though.

Ricky Torres - Wichita State
Devonte Bandoo - Baylor
Antun Miricevic - South Florida
Shane Gatling - Colorado

If I was signing a class this year it would have been these 4 guys and Bienemy. But again, would have to let Freeman/Lazenby go to do it. Hands were tied a bit...

Will see how they do comparatively. As Tiny said, I have stuck my neck out a bit.

Last year I *****ed about Juiston and a few others, and while those were guys I wanted OU to sign I didn't officially declare it so it looks like they were cherry-picked.

You only get 3 then

 

[skyvue]

I don’t much care how any of those three players do, because neither you nor I nor anyone else on this board knows if they were interested in OU. You have assumed all along during your endless juco jeremiad that they were ours for the taking, that Kruger and Co. fully dropped the ball in them, but none of us knows that.

 

[CoachTalk]

I don’t much care how any of those three players do, because neither you nor I nor anyone else on this board knows if they were interested in OU. You have assumed all along during your endless juco jeremiad that they were ours for the taking, that Kruger and Co. fully dropped the ball in them, but none of us knows that.

That doesn’t fit the agenda though sky!

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

I don’t much care how any of those three players do, because neither you nor I nor anyone else on this board knows if they were interested in OU. You have assumed all along during your endless juco jeremiad that they were ours for the taking, that Kruger and Co. fully dropped the ball in them, but none of us knows that.

Right. This absolutely assumes that all of them were not only interested in OU but would've chosen OU over the ones that they chose. It is video game recruiting.

 

[sperry]

We also don't know anything about the character of those guys (something that is a concern for JUCO guys at a significantly higher rate than high school guys. Almost every disciplinary issue we've had over the past 20 years or so has come from JUCO guys). We don't know their qualification status. Even top JUCO guys fail to qualify all the time, and some of the ones that make it in likely do so by the skin of their teeth. We don't know whether they were interested in OU. OU might have come after them and been told to not waste their time. We don't know what Lon has planned for the 2019 scholarships. Big difference in taking a 1 year guy vs. a 2 year guy.

As for Kuath vs. those other guys, Kuath clearly fits what Lon wants out of a big man. Which is a tall, athletic shot blocker who can rim run. And if you look at the best teams in the NBA, that's where basketball is going. Having big guys play with their back to the basket is not a winning strategy. Having big guys who can't survive a switch and can be attacked by guards is a disaster. No clue if kuath is skilled enough to fill that roll, but he at least has the size and athletic talent to do it.

 

[WTSooner]

I just want to clarify my position. I don't think we should be going after multiple JUCO guys a year. And maybe not even any JUCO guys some years. I'm simply saying there are multiple JUCO players, near this part of the country, EVERY year, that could help us. And there are times I think it makes sense to go after some of them.

 

[thebigabd]

I don’t much care how any of those three players do, because neither you nor I nor anyone else on this board knows if they were interested in OU. You have assumed all along during your endless juco jeremiad that they were ours for the taking, that Kruger and Co. fully dropped the ball in them, but none of us knows that.

I know that.

Right. This absolutely assumes that all of them were not only interested in OU but would've chosen OU over the ones that they chose.

Top 20 program nationally... on national television regularly... putting guys in the NBA.... From the same coaches and schools that OU has recruited very well and had relationships with for decades.

If OU wanted Ricky Torres or Devonte Bandoo, they could have had them. We know from Bandoos juco coach that OU was in contact but chose Reynolds over him. Let's just see who got the better end of that. 2 years of Bandoo vs 1 year of Reynolds.

You don't think Ricky Torres, living 4 hours away, wouldnt have come to OU on a visit for a top 20 program that literally didn't have a point guard on roster? He went to Wichita State, a fine program, but OU didnt even have a player at his position on roster and he said the most important thing to him in his recruitment getting the chance to start immediately.

Come on guys.... For some reason Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl, Tim Jankovich, Greg Marshall, etc really liked this guy... but we liked the guy from Maine better.

Makes total sense though that we didn't even try.... 6'3'' point guards who shoot 44% from 3, average 17ppg while still averaging over 8 assists per game (268 assists total) just aren't what OU needed. OU didnt need a good 3pt shooter, size, athletic ability, etc...

These guys may bust... they may totally suck. I don't think that will be the case though. That isn't a juco thing either... I think lots of players are going to be good when they are coming in from high school or prep school.

But thats the point of the experiment, isn't it?

 

[Sooner04]

There is one key factor you often forget, abd. We may not have been able to get some of these guys enrolled. As in, "hey, we like you, but your transcript is a disaster."

Houston was Cougar High for a reason.

 

[thebigabd]

There is one key factor you often forget, abd. We may not have been able to get some of these guys enrolled. As in, "hey, we like you, but your transcript is a disaster."

Houston was Cougar High for a reason.

Perhaps... Hard to tell when that is or isn't a factor. I don't know if Colorado, Baylor, Wichita State, or South Florida (in this case) are easier to get into than OU. Of those, I think Colorado is rated higher academically but I am not certain on that. Maybe I should be, Colorado is my alma mater.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

I know that.



Top 20 program nationally... on national television regularly... putting guys in the NBA.... From the same coaches and schools that OU has recruited very well and had relationships with for decades.

If OU wanted Ricky Torres or Devonte Bandoo, they could have had them. We know from Bandoos juco coach that OU was in contact but chose Reynolds over him. Let's just see who got the better end of that. 2 years of Bandoo vs 1 year of Reynolds.

You don't think Ricky Torres, living 4 hours away, wouldnt have come to OU on a visit for a top 20 program that literally didn't have a point guard on roster? He went to Wichita State, a fine program, but OU didnt even have a player at his position on roster and he said the most important thing to him in his recruitment getting the chance to start immediately.

Come on guys.... For some reason Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl, Tim Jankovich, Greg Marshall, etc really liked this guy... but we liked the guy from Maine better.

Makes total sense though that we didn't even try.... 6'3'' point guards who shoot 44% from 3, average 17ppg while still averaging over 8 assists per game (268 assists total) just aren't what OU needed. OU didnt need a good 3pt shooter, size, athletic ability, etc...

These guys may bust... they may totally suck. I don't think that will be the case though. That isn't a juco thing either... I think lots of players are going to be good when they are coming in from high school or prep school.

But thats the point of the experiment, isn't it?

OU has a PG arriving in 2020. You must not like him because he's a HS guy and not a JUCO but the notion that the PG spot wasn't spoken for is ridiculous.

And Wichita St.'s a pretty good program. You're certain that Torres would've come to OU over Wichita St. without a doubt? Ok.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I know that.



Top 20 program nationally... on national television regularly... putting guys in the NBA.... From the same coaches and schools that OU has recruited very well and had relationships with for decades.

If OU wanted Ricky Torres or Devonte Bandoo, they could have had them. We know from Bandoos juco coach that OU was in contact but chose Reynolds over him. Let's just see who got the better end of that. 2 years of Bandoo vs 1 year of Reynolds.

You don't think Ricky Torres, living 4 hours away, wouldnt have come to OU on a visit for a top 20 program that literally didn't have a point guard on roster? He went to Wichita State, a fine program, but OU didnt even have a player at his position on roster and he said the most important thing to him in his recruitment getting the chance to start immediately.

Come on guys.... For some reason Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl, Tim Jankovich, Greg Marshall, etc really liked this guy... but we liked the guy from Maine better.

Makes total sense though that we didn't even try.... 6'3'' point guards who shoot 44% from 3, average 17ppg while still averaging over 8 assists per game (268 assists total) just aren't what OU needed. OU didnt need a good 3pt shooter, size, athletic ability, etc...

These guys may bust... they may totally suck. I don't think that will be the case though. That isn't a juco thing either... I think lots of players are going to be good when they are coming in from high school or prep school.

But thats the point of the experiment, isn't it?

As others have pointed out, it is not even remotely true that every JUCO kid within a few hours of Norman would be interested in, let alone sign with, OU. Heck, there are elite high school kids who turn down Duke, UK, KU, etc., and some of them choose schools that aren't nearly as good. Even if OU had devoted every second of every day recruiting the guys you have mentioned, it is unrealistic to think that they would have all come to OU.

And the fact that Lon apparently preferred Calixte to the JUCO player doesn't bother me for two reasons. One, we only need a PG for one season. Two, last I checked, Lon is a more accomplished coach than any of the guys you mention. Plus, as other posters noted, there were plenty of high level programs in on Calixte. You make it sound like Lon chose some random guy from the Y while ignoring a clearly better player.

 

[skyvue]

Come on guys.... For some reason Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl, Tim Jankovich, Greg Marshall, etc really liked this guy... but we liked the guy from Maine better.

Some very good programs wanted Calixte, too. Why does that factor in when you're behind a guy, but not when you're bashing one?