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Long term who will be the better for the program?

I'd be interested in what you think? Manek's on-court contributions - hopefully for 4 years - versus Young's record-setting one season and his legacy in the NBA.

Which helps the program more?
 
Manek and it's not even close. Manek will probably be a 3 time all conference player and will have much more success on the court than TY had at OU. He also won't be perhaps the most polarizing figure in college basketball, much less in Norman.
 
Both...in different ways. Manek, through his performances as a player for at least three years, and possibly four. Trae, for all of the attention he brought to the program on a national scale. I would argue that he’s still doing it.

Yes, there were some tough times toward the end of last season when team chemistry suffered, some of it (right or wrong) attributed to Trae. Still, no one can deny that he gave us a lot of positive press we would not have received any other way.

Two home state boys doing work for the program. I love it!
 
AdaSooner said:
Both...in different ways. Manek, through his performances as a player for at least three years, and possibly four. Trae, for all of the attention he brought to the program on a national scale. I would argue that he’s still doing it.

Yes, there were some tough times toward the end of last season when team chemistry suffered, some of it (right or wrong) attributed to Trae. Still, no one can deny that he gave us a lot of positive press we would not have received any other way.

Two home state boys doing work for the program. I love it!
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The publicity produced by Trae was beyond any player ever in OU history. Dude had his own scroll on ESPN.

It's very close in my opinion and, really, too early to tell. Crazy to think they grew up 30 miles apart.
 
manek as a senior will be insane. i just hope we get to see it.
 
Last year was a very frustrating year for me. We were teased in the pre-conference season but the team did not improve and might have declined. Not pinning this on TY but the team appeared to be designed to get him a bigger NBA paycheck. It is not fair to him and he doesn’t and shouldn’t care what I think but that will always hurt his legacy as I see it. He was/is a great talent but his one year at OU was like Pistol Pete at LSU.

We may not even be as good as last year while Manek is at OU but I believe I will enjoy watching the team more.


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opsooner said:
Last year was a very frustrating year for me. We were teased in the pre-conference season but the team did not improve and might have declined. Not pinning this on TY but the team appeared to be designed to get him a bigger NBA paycheck. It is not fair to him and he doesn’t and shouldn’t care what I think but that will always hurt his legacy as I see it. He was/is a great talent but his one year at OU was like Pistol Pete at LSU.

We may not even be as good as last year while Manek is at OU but I believe I will enjoy watching the team more.


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I completely agree. The team concept faded at the end of the season as it became the TY show. Look at his stats over the season. His assists dropped in half while his shots doubled by the end.
 
If Manek doesn't make it in the NBA it'll be Trae. It's more important to recruiting to say we put players in the NBA regularly.
 
NickZepp said:
If Manek doesn't make it in the NBA it'll be Trae. It's more important to recruiting to say we put players in the NBA regularly.
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That logic says TY was better for the program than Hollis Price, Eddie Najera, Ryan Minor, etc. He wasn't.

Honestly, I don't see why TY was important for the program at all. OU became a laughing stock and that season will go down as one of the biggest collapses in OU history. They were #2 in the country at one point and had no business even making the NCAA Tournament and got bounced in the first round.

That team lost by 20 to KSU, by 30 to Kansas, by 23 to Baylor, by 11 to a crap OSU team in the Big 12 Tournament. Lost 2/3 games to OSU. Got swept by Texas.

They pretty much didn't accomplish a single objective for the program. Beat rivals OSU and Texas? No. Compete for a conference title? Nope, finished last. Good showing in March? Nope.

Is the logic that because TY plays in the NBA that other recruits will come here thinking they will also play in the NBA?

All that being said... things are looking much better now for the program.
 
thebigabd said:
That logic says TY was better for the program than Hollis Price, Eddie Najera, Ryan Minor, etc. He wasn't.

Honestly, I don't see why TY was important for the program at all. OU became a laughing stock and that season will go down as one of the biggest collapses in OU history. They were #2 in the country at one point and had no business even making the NCAA Tournament and got bounced in the first round.

That team lost by 20 to KSU, by 30 to Kansas, by 23 to Baylor, by 11 to a crap OSU team in the Big 12 Tournament. Lost 2/3 games to OSU. Got swept by Texas.

They pretty much didn't accomplish a single objective for the program. Beat rivals OSU and Texas? No. Compete for a conference title? Nope, finished last. Good showing in March? Nope.

Is the logic that because TY plays in the NBA that other recruits will come here thinking they will also play in the NBA?

All that being said... things are looking much better now for the program.
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made the dance so they did accomplish a goal of the program ...

trae is going to be a NBA starter for the next decade giving pub to OU ..


also manek is a lock to play in the NBA
 
I believe that Manek will have an OU career similar to Najera except with a little more offense. Quite a bit more if he developes more of a drive to the hoop game.

However, I still think as far as basketball talent is concerned that Young is one of the top five players to play at OU. I don't think Manek will reach that rarified atmosphere.

I can only speculate on what went wrong last year. Could be that TY got off track reading his press releases. Or that we got into a mode of let TY take over the game as he did is some of our best wins. What ever, as the season progressed he took more bad shots and made more bad passes even though he put up single season numbers that may never be exceeded at OU. They just didn't translate to wins and in some cases resulted in very bad losses.

Manek has two of the qualities that contribute to high performance. He is an excellent outside shooter with a quick release and he gets a lot of garbage points. Just needs to develop more of a mid range and drive to the hoop game which will force the defender to drop off a half a step or more.
 
thebigabd said:
That logic says TY was better for the program than Hollis Price, Eddie Najera, Ryan Minor, etc. He wasn't.

Honestly, I don't see why TY was important for the program at all. OU became a laughing stock and that season will go down as one of the biggest collapses in OU history. They were #2 in the country at one point and had no business even making the NCAA Tournament and got bounced in the first round.

That team lost by 20 to KSU, by 30 to Kansas, by 23 to Baylor, by 11 to a crap OSU team in the Big 12 Tournament. Lost 2/3 games to OSU. Got swept by Texas.

They pretty much didn't accomplish a single objective for the program. Beat rivals OSU and Texas? No. Compete for a conference title? Nope, finished last. Good showing in March? Nope.

Is the logic that because TY plays in the NBA that other recruits will come here thinking they will also play in the NBA?

All that being said... things are looking much better now for the program.
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It's up to each person to decide how to answer the original question, but there is zero doubt that recruits pay attention to how many players a program puts into the NBA. That is something every school emphasizes, and since most high level recruits are convinced they are good enough to make it, they absolutely look at whether a program has a good track record in that area.
 
As WichitaSooner said, everyone has to decide how to answer the OP’s question:

Long term who will be the better for the program?
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If you interpret that to mean “beyond a regional level,” you can’t ignore the national press (some might even say international) Trae Young generated. I was not a fan of everything he brought to the program, but there is no denying that the national spotlight was on OU as well as on him last year. You couldn’t pick up a newspaper or a magazine, or watch a sports program on television that did not feature TY, most of it positive.

Making it to the NBA does matter. I’m a huge Brady Manek fan who happens
to believe he will be there in the not too distant future. But, until he does, the only impact he’ll have is what he will mean to the program on a statewide or regional level. Trae is already there.

To set the record straight, I hated the way our season ended last year. I knew all about the unhappy players, and why a once promising season went south toward the end. I’m having a lot more fun and enjoying every minute watching a team play as one unit while Brady puts up a double double in every game so far. So what if it doesn’t continue? I’ll take that over what we had to put up with last season.
 
I honestly do feel kinda "used" by TY as a fan . He stole a season from me for his own personal gain.
 
If the question is about long term then it is probably a wash. Neither is going to help with our fan base unless we consistently win. If after a few years potential recruits still see no butts in the seats they will choose to go elsewhere.

If the question is short term then TY certainly helped draw attention to the program. However, the jury is still out on whether Manek and others can draw the attention the right way - by the team winning tournament games.


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