Marcus Smart has upped his game in the NBA

thebigabd said:
Definition of cheating: act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

If you believe that what Marcus Smart does falls under this category, which I do, then why wouldn't I hold his coaches accountable for encouraging the behavior or action? If they didn't want him to do it, he wouldn't do it.

You think Bob Knight, Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger, Eddie Sutton, and other "old school" coaches who teach real basketball would be encouraging or allowing their players to flop themselves all over the floor trying to draw BS fouls?
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C'mon abd, give it a rest. OU built their football tradition on cheating. When WWII ended, and still not far removed from the Dust Bowl, key personnel associated with OU wanted to build a national power...knew it would be great for the badly needed state's economy. To do that, they got the richest alums to create a slush fund to "recruit" some returning WWII vets. Back then, guys in their early 20s were already married and on their second child. They needed money, not education. Circumstances wouldn't allow them to play for free. Like it or not, that's how it all got started.
 
Smash Williams said:
so why would his coach discourage it?
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fortitude and morality

not kidding either.

You start cutting corners in things that don't really matter much (sports) and it starts to creep into other aspects of your life.

So a player blatantly lying and cheating by flopping in bball may not seem like a big deal but it is a show of character. Our character and moral compass are composed not only in large life defining situations, but also the everyday mundane aspects of our life
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
fortitude and morality

not kidding either.

You start cutting corners in things that don't really matter much (sports) and it starts to creep into other aspects of your life.

So a player blatantly lying and cheating by flopping in bball may not seem like a big deal but it is a show of character. Our character and moral compass are composed not only in large life defining situations, but also the everyday mundane aspects of our life
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So Pop and Rivers have neither as well? Ridiculous statement to say that allowing a player to flop or set an illegal screen shows they will develop bad characteristics in their everyday life.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
fortitude and morality

not kidding either.

You start cutting corners in things that don't really matter much (sports) and it starts to creep into other aspects of your life.

So a player blatantly lying and cheating by flopping in bball may not seem like a big deal but it is a show of character. Our character and moral compass are composed not only in large life defining situations, but also the everyday mundane aspects of our life
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You never knowingly break any rules or laws? You don't speed?
 
WTSooner said:
You never knowingly break any rules or laws? You don't speed?
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Sure I do. But I'm not doing it at the expense of someone else or to gain an advantage.

And this isn't about me anyway.

I'd love to see WT's comments on smart before he was a celtic
 
BCSooners said:
So Pop and Rivers have neither as well? Ridiculous statement to say that allowing a player to flop or set an illegal screen shows they will develop bad characteristics in their everyday life.
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never said they, or marcus, don't have any.
 
This thread is funny. Yeah the dude flops all the time but to make it sound like he's some criminal? Every team in the league has a flopper just about. He doesn't play for OSU anymore it's ok...
 
SoopaSooner said:
This thread is funny. Yeah the dude flops all the time but to make it sound like he's some criminal? Every team in the league has a flopper just about. He doesn't play for OSU anymore it's ok...
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You are a celtic fan right?

It really has nothing to do with him being a poke. Him being a poke exposed me to him more otherwise I probably wouldn't know who he is. But I don't like him because

He seems to have an all about me attitude
a temper
pushed a fan
flops all the time. Not just exaggerating contact but actual flopping even without contact.

It is frustrating to watch...which is why I usually do not watch any celtics games. But when I do, I see him flopping within 5 minutes of watching
 
Flopping isn't cheating.. its trying to exploit the rules. Cheating would be spying on teams, trying to hurt a player ect
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Sure I do. But I'm not doing it at the expense of someone else or to gain an advantage.
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That's not the point I was going after. If flopping makes you unethical and is a sign of morality, surely speeding and breaking other rules/laws is as well.

You start cutting corners with rules/laws, and it creeps into other aspects of your life.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
fortitude and morality

not kidding either.

You start cutting corners in things that don't really matter much (sports) and it starts to creep into other aspects of your life.

So a player blatantly lying and cheating by flopping in bball may not seem like a big deal but it is a show of character. Our character and moral compass are composed not only in large life defining situations, but also the everyday mundane aspects of our life
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Is Scott Brooks amoral because he allowed Kendrick Perkins to set a ton of illegal screens every game?

If a defender is whistled for a foul, but it turns out he didn't even touch the shooter, does that offensive player have a moral obligation to correct the officials? Accepting free throws when you really didn't get fouled is like keeping the change when a cashier accidentally gives you change for a $100 when you only gave him a $10 bill. Where are we drawing the line on the morality of basketball?
 
WTSooner said:
That's not the point I was going after. If flopping makes you unethical and is a sign of morality, surely speeding and breaking other rules/laws is as well.

You start cutting corners with rules/laws, and it creeps into other aspects of your life.
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morality isn't governed by laws

And i didn't say flopping makes you unethical but i do think it is unethical
 
Smash Williams said:
Is Scott Brooks amoral because he allowed Kendrick Perkins to set a ton of illegal screens every game?
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No. And Stevens is amoral b/c he allows marcus to flop. But it does show signs of ones character. And IF Brooks was instructing Perkins to do it, then that is a lot worse imo.


If a defender is whistled for a foul, but it turns out he didn't even touch the shooter, does that offensive player have a moral obligation to correct the officials?
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Nope

Accepting free throws when you really didn't get fouled is like keeping the change when a cashier accidentally gives you change for a $100 when you only gave him a $10 bill. Where are we drawing the line on the morality of basketball?
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Different situations. The game of bball has officials to make judgement calls,etc. What they say goes. And they can't always see everything. What I am getting at with the whole flopping thing is it is a direct decision to cheat the game of basketball.

And if you are given the incorrect amount of change, yes I do feel it is one's obligation to correct it
 
Are the mods on vacation? Is there a living, breathing moderator among us?
 
If some of you are deliberately trying to make any twitter or bleacher report comment section appear intelligent by comparison, you're doing a terrific job.

I'm not sure I've ever read a thread on this board so rife with stupidity.
 
chuckb said:
If some of you are deliberately trying to make any twitter or bleacher report comment section appear intelligent by comparison, you're doing a terrific job.

I'm not sure I've ever read a thread on this board so rife with stupidity.
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Well I've seen some of your posts.. so you must not ever proofread your own posts
 
http://sillimanonsports.com/To_Flop_or_Not_to_Flop_10-12.html

Updating my old column:

After the words "dewy gooey back-haired pet", ADD:

Floppers will pay, says the NBA, 5K is just the start
"Hear, hear," says the league, very intrigued
Because we're about to get Marcus Smart

"Marcus Smart," they will ask "The Aggie Flopmaster?"
"He's coming our way? Well, if he tries, it'll be total disaster."

He'll be fined like a champ, his style they will cramp,
if he flops once for each quarter

A windsock he'll resemble, although not quite as nimble,
as he writhes like a fish out of water

We hate to repeat, it isn't a treat, nor shall we be ever the wisher
Flop is he must, it'll not be discussed but he won't be the new Derek Fisher
 
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