Obaseki and A&M

[Eielson]

So Sampson should’ve been fired for the 3 years after the Elite 8 year because he was on a decline?

Sampson won 25 games and tied for first in conference two years after that Elite 8 team. So many weak arguments in this thread.

 

[BCSooners]

Sampson won 25 games and tied for first in conference two years after that Elite 8 team. So many weak arguments in this thread.

He also missed the tournament and got upset in the tournament in 1 of those years.

Of course it’s a weak argument, you’re the one who made it. That if your last 4 years are worse than your best 4 years than you are on a decline.

 

[Eielson]

Of course it’s a weak argument, you’re the one who made it.

I never said that I'd rather play for Buzz than Kelvin. You're really grasping at straws.

That if your last 4 years are worse than your best 4 years than you are on a decline.

Oh sweetheart...that's the definition of decline. Look it up. A lot of stuff I've said in this is opinion, but that's just a cold-hard fact.

 

[WTSooner]

2017 - the data says this is an anomaly.
RPI - VT-50 OU-162
SOS - 34 OU-33

Not really.

4th and last year at KSU: 17-15

5th and 6th years at UF after FF season: 17-13 and 12-16

3rd season at Illinois after tying for 1st in the Big 10 the year before: 14-18

He didn't really have any bad seasons after his first two at UNLV. :clap

Then we know about the 2017 season (11-20) at OU.

I'd call that a trend. He hasn't really stayed anywhere long enough to have a second go round of falling off like that, but if he stays at OU long enough, it'll probably happen. LK has a pretty easily identifiable M.O. if you look at his career.

 

[BCSooners]

The three seasons that saw us finish 7th, T1, and 3rd in the Big 12?

The three seasons that included two 20 win seasons and a 25 win season? We've won 20 games ONCE in the past four seasons btw.

So yeah, no, I don't think we should have fired a coach for doing those things. You left out that the 2004 team was VERY young with that good freshman class, and had a lot of bad luck. Bookout missed most of the season. Brown got booted late. Several other starters missed between 1-3 games each. And that team was still just a single questionable blocking foul near halfcourt from making the Dance. THAT team played hard and played together. I can live with having a down season of 20 wins and a .500 conference record when a) that is the floor for the coach's tenure at OU, and b) they played their butts off but just didn't get it done. That isn't what I see when I watch OU over the past 4 seasons.

Of course KS shouldn’t have been fired, I was using his argument against him.

Well Doolittle missed games this year, Woodard missed the bad year, McNeace missed the end of last season. So using “bad luck” is a weak excuse.

LK’s teams, other than TY’s year, play good defense so I don’t how those teams get a pass for a missed tourney year & these past 3 tourney teams get discredited because of your eye test.

OU could win 20+ games every year if they made their schedule easier & played in a worse conference. That doesn’t get you in the tourney these days. Unlike you I care about the end result more than some personal criteria I make up.

Conference record could be better, that’s my only legit complaint.

 

[BCSooners]

I never said that I'd rather play for Buzz than Kelvin. You're really grasping at straws.



Oh sweetheart...that's the definition of decline. Look it up. A lot of stuff I've said in this is opinion, but that's just a cold-hard fact.

Where did I say you’d rather play for Buzz than Kelvin? Read the posts.

So Duke is on a decline because their record isn’t as good as the Laettner years? I know what the definition is, it’s just not logical. If that’s your argument than every program other than Dayton, Baylor, & SDSU is declining.

 

[Speedy17]

The only coach that should be on the chopping block is on the women's side of the house. If you want to define what a real decline is, look over there. The sad part is OU is not looking to change a thing.

 

[WaymanFan]

The three seasons that saw us finish 7th, T1, and 3rd in the Big 12?

The three seasons that included two 20 win seasons and a 25 win season? We've won 20 games ONCE in the past four seasons btw.

So yeah, no, I don't think we should have fired a coach for doing those things. You left out that the 2004 team was VERY young with that good freshman class, and had a lot of bad luck. Bookout missed most of the season. Brown got booted late. Several other starters missed between 1-3 games each. And that team was still just a single questionable blocking foul near halfcourt from making the Dance. THAT team played hard and played together. I can live with having a down season of 20 wins and a .500 conference record when a) that is the floor for the coach's tenure at OU, and b) they played their butts off but just didn't get it done. That isn't what I see when I watch OU over the past 4 seasons.

Most open-minded people will acknowledge that Kelvin was (and still is) a great coach. I've just never encountered a human being who has literally gone out of his way to defend every single thing another human being has ever done in their personal or professional life. One can easily be open-minded and acknowledge that Kelvin's last years weren't anywhere close to what he accomplished during the height of his career.

OU only won one NCAA Tournament game in his last three years - same number of NCAA Tourney victories Lon Kruger has in his last three years. Neither have anything to brag about in that department, though Kelvin's 2005 team had a great regular season. The reason we did not make the NCAA Tournament in 2004? Actually, there were three reasons: 1) Bad luck, as you correctly stated with numerous untimely injuries - Bookout's being the most glaring; 2) Rolling the dice with Tobias Harris instead of waiting a few more weeks for Lawrence Roberts to be available (questionable that hindsight applied here); 3) One of the best "paper" recruiting classes in school history (2003) falling apart. Even if it took two years before the class went completely bust, there were problems right from the beginning.

On the opposite side, would a year like 2017 have happened with Kelvin as head coach? Not a chance. Would our conference record over the past four seasons been as bad? Again, not a chance. Being open-minded works both ways. If Coach Kruger continues to miss on his recruiting targets, I strongly believe he will voluntarily step down.

 

[vbdad]

I noticed yesterday after the aggies went to Final 4 in 94 they didn't make the tournament the next two years. An obvious decline in performance. Eddie Sutton should have been fired at that time!

I do have grace for LK when your only returning starter develops a horrible mental disease it affects the whole team.

 

[steverocks35]

I noticed yesterday after the aggies went to Final 4 in 94 they didn't make the tournament the next two years. An obvious decline in performance. Eddie Sutton should have been fired at that time!

I do have grace for LK when your only returning starter develops a horrible mental disease it affects the whole team.

Wait, I must be having brain lock because I don’t remember that, who had a mental disease?

 

[BCSooners]

Wait, I must be having brain lock because I don’t remember that, who had a mental disease?

Jordan Woodard

 

[BCSooners]

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/suitors-emerge-for-four-star-junior-jahmai-mashack

New target that OU might lead.

 

[Eielson]

Where did I say you’d rather play for Buzz than Kelvin? Read the posts.

Check my original post.

So Duke is on a decline because their record isn’t as good as the Laettner years? I know what the definition is, it’s just not logical. If that’s your argument than every program other than Dayton, Baylor, & SDSU is declining.

You're unbelievably bad at this comparison thing. If I had said Lon was on a decline because his teams weren't as good as '88, then your comparison would have some validity. But that wasn't said...at all.

 

[BCSooners]

Check my original post.



You're unbelievably bad at this comparison thing. If I had said Lon was on a decline because his teams weren't as good as '88, then your comparison would have some validity. But that wasn't said...at all.

I did.

You gave me the dictionary definition of decline and used the BS “oh sweetheart”, so forgive me for giving a comparison that didn’t fit your narrative.

 

[Eielson]

I did.

You gave me the dictionary definition of decline and used the BS “oh sweetheart”, so forgive me for giving a comparison that didn’t fit your narrative.

I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

 

[BCSooners]

I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

So you don’t have a point to make?

 

[sheepdogs1]

^I'll supply the coin. Who wants to do the flipping?

 

[Eielson]

So you don’t have a point to make?

Did you say anything that warranted a response?

 

[BCSooners]

Did you say anything that warranted a response?

There was an ongoing argument until you resorted to pointless condescending remarks that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

 

[Eielson]

There was an ongoing argument until you resorted to pointless condescending remarks that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

You tried to compare Lon to KS because he only won 20 games the year after Hollis left...and won conference the year after that. Your argument shot itself in the foot. Nothing else needs to be said.