OU - a&m

[sybarite]

I suspect that Sherri is an advocate of letting her players mature into roles that they select and find comfortable rather than forcing a square peg into a round hole. Geno will make a leader if it kills him. Sherri tries to bring it out, but won't force it. It would probably be against her teaching philosophy.

Whitney began as a leader, but couldn't express it while injured. She did her best, but it is difficult to be a leader if you don't have the ball in your hands. I don't see Courtney as a leader. She was an excellent player, but it is difficult to lead from the post---to take over a game. You really need your point guard to step up. I doubt that Griner would have ever won a title without Sims.

I think Maddie has a lot of the attributes to be a leader. I think she has the personality. I think she has been reticent as a non-starter. I think she has been deferential to others as she tries to become involved. I think she sees Peyton or maybe Kay Kay as the people who should have inherited the role of leader. She has to learn that it has to be her or Gabbi.

But, it has to be more than Maddie. Maddie can make things happen, but not if everyone is just standing around. Move and get open as she handles the ball. I think she is exactly what we need, but has a sense of decorum with respect to the team that causes her to play along rather than ahead. She has to see that it must change.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I can see what your saying, but the light better go on quick. As someone said she's played and sat almost 4 full seasons now. She has to play with abandon like Hand did after injury.


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[soonermike22]

Just got back from the panhandle-no tv and no internet. Sorry about loss, but we will rebound, and can still compete for the big 12 title.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I suspect that Sherri is an advocate of letting her players mature into roles that they select and find comfortable rather than forcing a square peg into a round hole. Geno will make a leader if it kills him. Sherri tries to bring it out, but won't force it. It would probably be against her teaching philosophy.

Whitney began as a leader, but couldn't express it while injured. She did her best, but it is difficult to be a leader if you don't have the ball in your hands. I don't see Courtney as a leader. She was an excellent player, but it is difficult to lead from the post---to take over a game. You really need your point guard to step up. I doubt that Griner would have ever won a title without Sims.

I think Maddie has a lot of the attributes to be a leader. I think she has the personality. I think she has been reticent as a non-starter. I think she has been deferential to others as she tries to become involved. I think she sees Peyton or maybe Kay Kay as the people who should have inherited the role of leader. She has to learn that it has to be her or Gabbi.

But, it has to be more than Maddie. Maddie can make things happen, but not if everyone is just standing around. Move and get open as she handles the ball. I think she is exactly what we need, but has a sense of decorum with respect to the team that causes her to play along rather than ahead. She has to see that it must change.

I agree Sherri asks and never demands. Moreove she recruits players of a similar mentality. Girls that want to be prim and proper go to dinner parties and the prom. Occasionally she gets a Whitney and a Gabbi but the are the exception not the rule. Basketball is a war of finesse but a war none the less. Maddie hasn't learned that on a basketball court nice girls finish last. It is not in here makeup and the absence of that shark mentality will prohibit her from ever achieving her potential.

Her only chance to ever accomplish close to her capabilities is for Sherri to kick her in the backside and demand she step up and get the job done again and again and again. That is not Sherri either and please try harder is never going to get it done.

If Maddie went to school in Waco she would be playing much closer to her potential than she ever will in Norman and OU fans would despise her. Maddie is never going to consistently take charge of a team and lead them to the promised land. She has the wrong mental makeup and four years in Noman has not taught her better.

 

[sybarite]

Originally Posted by sybarite View Post
I suspect that Sherri is an advocate of letting her players mature into roles that they select and find comfortable rather than forcing a square peg into a round hole. Geno will make a leader if it kills him. Sherri tries to bring it out, but won't force it. It would probably be against her teaching philosophy.

Whitney began as a leader, but couldn't express it while injured. She did her best, but it is difficult to be a leader if you don't have the ball in your hands. I don't see Courtney as a leader. She was an excellent player, but it is difficult to lead from the post---to take over a game. You really need your point guard to step up. I doubt that Griner would have ever won a title without Sims.

I think Maddie has a lot of the attributes to be a leader. I think she has the personality. I think she has been reticent as a non-starter. I think she has been deferential to others as she tries to become involved. I think she sees Peyton or maybe Kay Kay as the people who should have inherited the role of leader. She has to learn that it has to be her or Gabbi.

But, it has to be more than Maddie. Maddie can make things happen, but not if everyone is just standing around. Move and get open as she handles the ball. I think she is exactly what we need, but has a sense of decorum with respect to the team that causes her to play along rather than ahead. She has to see that it must change.

I agree Sherri asks and never demands. Moreove she recruits players of a similar mentality. Girls that want to be prim and proper go to dinner parties and the prom. Occasionally she gets a Whitney and a Gabbi but the are the exception not the rule. Basketball is a war of finesse but a war none the less. Maddie hasn't learned that on a basketball court nice girls finish last. It is not in here makeup and the absence of that shark mentality will prohibit her from ever achieving her potential.

Her only chance to ever accomplish close to her capabilities is for Sherri to kick her in the backside and demand she step up and get the job done again and again and again. That is not Sherri either and please try harder is never going to get it done.

If Maddie went to school in Waco she would be playing much closer to her potential than she ever will in Norman and OU fans would despise her. Maddie is never going to consistently take charge of a team and lead them to the promised land. She has the wrong mental makeup and four years in Noman has not taught her bette[/B]r.

I cite this post only because I don't want it erased.

 

[Mac]

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I agree Sherri asks and never demands. Moreove she recruits players of a similar mentality. Girls that want to be prim and proper go to dinner parties and the prom. Occasionally she gets a Whitney and a Gabbi but the are the exception not the rule. Basketball is a war of finesse but a war none the less. Maddie hasn't learned that on a basketball court nice girls finish last. It is not in here makeup and the absence of that shark mentality will prohibit her from ever achieving her potential.

Her only chance to ever accomplish close to her capabilities is for Sherri to kick her in the backside and demand she step up and get the job done again and again and again. That is not Sherri either and please try harder is never going to get it done.

If Maddie went to school in Waco she would be playing much closer to her potential than she ever will in Norman and OU fans would despise her. Maddie is never going to consistently take charge of a team and lead them to the promised land. She has the wrong mental makeup and four years in Noman has not taught her better.

I totally disagree... Other them maybe Sophia Young-Malcolm I can't think of that many players who developed under Kim... BG has become the player she has with the Phoenix Mercury Coaches... Sims has always been a shoot 1st guard and still is...

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

[/B]

I agree Sherri asks and never demands. Moreove she recruits players of a similar mentality. Girls that want to be prim and proper go to dinner parties and the prom. Occasionally she gets a Whitney and a Gabbi but the are the exception not the rule. Basketball is a war of finesse but a war none the less. Maddie hasn't learned that on a basketball court nice girls finish last. It is not in here makeup and the absence of that shark mentality will prohibit her from ever achieving her potential.

Her only chance to ever accomplish close to her capabilities is for Sherri to kick her in the backside and demand she step up and get the job done again and again and again. That is not Sherri either and please try harder is never going to get it done.

If Maddie went to school in Waco she would be playing much closer to her potential than she ever will in Norman and OU fans would despise her. Maddie is never going to consistently take charge of a team and lead them to the promised land. She has the wrong mental makeup and four years in Noman has not taught her better.

You could of hit the nail on the head.... but I think its too early to tell as well. Sitting on the bench and watching is not the same as playing- not even close. If anything sitting by Sherri would definitely be a negative, as sitting and not playing would surely dull her instincts. Experience wise, Maddie is only a soph, who also had only one season with cut playing time. And not to mention coming back from 2 ACLs. She is still figuring out how to score on a night to night basis- I think she figures it out and compete for POY next season. But it is still too early to tell either way. I will say you bring up some interesting points- I know Geno doesn't pat ppl on the back. I saw him on Sports Center one time say, your not gonna tell me how good your gonna be, Im gonna tell you how good your going to be. That approach seems to work fairly well.... Time will tell however.

 

[atlantasooner]

Pretty disappointing loss.

Right now, OU looks no better than 3rd in the conference.

 

[ielle]

The team showed a lot against aTm .I think if the team cut down the three point number.Work the ball inside more to keep the post active.We may have chance at third place in big 12.The biggest problem I see we have issues with athletic team that like to run.

 

[SoonerNorm]

The team showed a lot against aTm .I think if the team cut down the three point number.Work the ball inside more to keep the post active.We may have chance at third place in big 12.The biggest problem I see we have issues with athletic team that like to run.

I agree that our first option should be inside then out. But, Sherri has always loved the 3-point shot so I don't see that changing.

 

[Options]

Unfortunately we will be micreocre again. Maddie is not the player we all thought she would be. Knee injuries are over so she will either do it or not. I say not. Merry Christmas all love the board love the team

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Unfortunately we will be micreocre again. Maddie is not the player we all thought she would be. Knee injuries are over so she will either do it or not. I say not. Merry Christmas all love the board love the team

Well, we weren't mediocre last year - finished 2nd - far ahead of the third place teams - such as Texas.

I doubt we finish 5th or 6th or lower this year (i.e. mediocre) but I guess time will tell.

Maddie has been playing well this year - and I do hope she continues to get better. Chad said recently that her knees still hurt at times.

 

[atlantasooner]

3rd in conference. And another year of no big 12 regular season title is not the
standard Sherri established from 2000 to 2012.

Manning's improved from last year, but miles away from a Big 12 POY.
Sherri needs a Buddy Hield type (ARob might be the last player who was
legitimately that good).
To be honest, this team will go as far as Peyton, Ortiz, KK take it, not sure
Manning will be a deciding factor.

Dungee and Llanusa are going to have to be as good as projected and quickly moved into the rotation.
While that is happening some more roster turnover is inevitable.

Are good teams enough for OU hoops fans? Is good enough for 800k a year worth it
(don't kid yourself every facet of the OU AD budget is exposed for review).

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Several good points, atlanta.

But remember the 3rd place finish is a prediction, not an actual result. Like was stated earlier, we finished 2nd last year - 4 games ahead of the 3rd place teams - like Texas - even though almost everyone on here was predicting we would finish much lower. I do not want us to finish in the middle of the pack either, but I have not already given up.

And I'm with you on Maddie. Hopeful but not certain she will be one of the league's best this year. But it is possible.

I am also hopeful Nancy M will be an excellent player.

I'm just not ready to be critical and hateful toward Sherri. Texas thought it would be easy to find a new coach. It has not been. There is absolutely no guarantee a new WBB coach would get us into the next 16 tournaments and 3 final fours. That is extremely hard to do. What coaches have done better?

 

[atlantasooner]

Sweetest,
There's little doubt Sherri's had a great run from around 2000 to 2012. Only a truly great uConn team kept her from a title. She's a great coach. OU was without question a top ten women's hoops program. No debate needed. Facts are facts.

But like Bob suffered from 2011 thru 2014, you can argue there's some performance ceiling (malaise maybe too harsh) around the women's hoops program.
Ou's slipping into a second tier program. Top 25 no doubt, but no longer elite.
Baylor is the premiere program (again, Facts are what they are. I dislike them too) in the Big 12.
No regular season titles. No tourney titles. No All American candidates.
Maybe Lon's current success is also shining a too bright light on this issue.

You can accept this second tier status for OU. No problem. But Sherri's not getting second tier compensation.
You can ask Sherri to make changes? No guarantees of success here. She might not be
willing to make changes.
You can ask Sherri to move on. Really no guarantees here. Hiring is gambling.
Program could take a huge dive. Slip from a top 25 program.

So if top 3 in conference and a tourney spot every year, good enough?
Is top 5 in conference and an occasional tourney miss, good enough?
What's the tipping point?

I truly hope some combination of existing and new talent get OU back into a final four/winning-competing for conference titles annually.
Hoping there's a Baker Mayfield/Buddy Hield/DRob/ in our future for women's hoops.

 

[soonerstar]

Last Big 12 Conference Championship was 2008-2009 season. Some thought we would start winning them again when Griner graduated. Has not happened. The problem is in Norman, not what players Baylor has.

 

[j2d2]

Excellent comment, Atlanta, and right on.

 

[SoonerNorm]

One thing I've noticed is how many basketball players are also great athletes. We used to see a few great athletes but there are a lot more today. Players like Derica and Penzo just cannot keep up with (or create against) quick players. You have to wonder why were they recruited. Ortiz is also a step slow.

To be an elite team, you have to have some elite athletes who also have skills. From what I've seen, Ana is a really good athlete and I think she will help us. For the last few years, some have been talking about the need for better players. We now see how we have slipped from a team that was going to final fours to a team that is top 20/25. That is directly related to recruiting.

When I see Ramirez pick TCU and Richards strongly considering KU, that tells me that the top players are not always picking elite teams. We have to grab some of those players. We also have to repair the relationship with DFW. Speaking of Ramirez, I will be shocked if she isn't a really good player for the Horned Frogs.

I'm hoping that Sherri will take a page from Bob Stoops and realize when the team is failing to reach desired goals, there are changes that a head coach can make that can make a huge difference.

 

[Mac]

I think a lot of success in 05-12 had to do with Courtney Paris who was a #1 recruit coming out of high school... If Sherri gets the players she can get it done like any other coach. I think it's time to chance the assist coaches. I think the staff could use some youth. Maybe someone like Tiffany Jackson who might be retiring from the WNBA if she was looking to get in to coaching.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I think a lot of success in 05-12 had to do with Courtney Paris who was a #1 recruit coming out of high school... If Sherri gets the players she can get it done like any other coach. I think it's time to chance the assist coaches. I think the staff could use some youth. Maybe someone like Tiffany Jackson who might be retiring from the WNBA if she was looking to get in to coaching.

I could see Sherri possibly hiring DRob if she wanted to coach but I doubt if she would be inclined to hire an outsider like Jackson. I would love for her to prove me wrong.