+++++OU-TCU Gameday Thread+++++

[stormspencer]

Lunardi is an outlier. According to bracketmatrix.com, Michigan State would have to do something great to steal the last #1 from OU. Notice that not a single bracket has OU worse than a #2, which is something only Kansas and Villanova can claim.

Lunardi thinks North Carolina has a #1, which is just silly at this point.

Absolutely ridiculous that he has UNC a #1. UNC only has 3 top 50 RPI wins and all of them were at home. By comparison, OU has 9 top 50 wins and 7 top 25 wins. UNC is a #3 seed currently in most brackets on bracketmatrix. Even if OU loses in the quarters in KC, they will be a 2 seed....their season-long resume is noticeably better than virtually every team out there....save Kansas.

 

[MercedeSooner]

Lunardi is an outlier. According to bracketmatrix.com, Michigan State would have to do something great to steal the last #1 from OU. Notice that not a single bracket has OU worse than a #2, which is something only Kansas and Villanova can claim.

Lunardi thinks North Carolina has a #1, which is just silly at this point.

Almost no chance Mich St doesn't end up with a 1 at this point - 25-5 with a couple of those losses coming when Valentine was out. Destroying teams in the last couple weeks also.

For all the angst we ve had in the last month we ve won 4 out of out last 5 though that 6-4 in our last 10 isn't so pretty - if we lose to ISU and end up 5-5 it looks even worse.

 

[152219]

Almost no chance Mich St doesn't end up with a 1 at this point - 25-5 with a couple of those losses coming when Valentine was out. Destroying teams in the last couple weeks also.

For all the angst we ve had in the last month we ve won 4 out of out last 5 though that 6-4 in our last 10 isn't so pretty - if we lose to ISU and end up 5-5 it looks even worse.

Committee doesn't take record in last 12 games a metric any longer. It is total resume.

 

[152219]

FWIW, MSU only lost once without Valentine. At Iowa

 

[Soonerinkc]

glad I didn't watch game live...saw the last 2 min, up 10, down to 5 or 6..won by 8?

I think we need at least 1 win in Big12 to THINK of a 1 see, 2 or 3 wins we get it. Pretty sure we are fairly a solid 2, IF xavier loses...we should be.

 

[oudna]

Committee doesn't take record in last 12 games a metric any longer. It is total resume.

Good. That never made sense to me. At least regarding top seeds. It should entirely be based on total resume.

Maybe for the last 4 in, you'd consider who's been better recently.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Random question:

I was switching back and forth between the men's game and the women's game so if this question was answered, I missed it.

They showed a clip of the TCU Senior Day festivities and there was a elementary age kid on the court with the family of a player. He had what looked like a "There's Only One Oklahoma" t-shirt. What's the story on that?

 

[Soonerinkc]

Thanks, Michael.

For those who haven't got the memo yet, Joe Lunardi does not set the bracket for the NCAA tourney.

no BUT last year he got 100% right, the year before he got all but 1 or 2..same the year before that.

No one said HE makes the bracket, but he does a heck of job predicting.

Honestly it's like recruiting....if there is a kid "rumored" to be a "lock" for a certain school..it's almost a travesty when he doesn't go...so many brackets now have unc as a #1...with their reputation etc...can you imagine IF the committee didn't do that?

From what I've seen, OU basically has the best numbers behind ku besides the overall record...but yet we are a 2 seed at best right now

 

[152219]

no BUT last year he got 100% right, the year before he got all but 1 or 2..same the year before that.

No one said HE makes the bracket, but he does a heck of job predicting.

Honestly it's like recruiting....if there is a kid "rumored" to be a "lock" for a certain school..it's almost a travesty when he doesn't go...so many brackets now have unc as a #1...with their reputation etc...can you imagine IF the committee didn't do that?

From what I've seen, OU basically has the best numbers behind ku besides the overall record...but yet we are a 2 seed at best right now

He gets the teams in, not seeding. All of us could get over 90% of the team in

 

[JBaker]

no BUT last year he got 100% right, the year before he got all but 1 or 2..same the year before that.



No one said HE makes the bracket, but he does a heck of job predicting.



Honestly it's like recruiting....if there is a kid "rumored" to be a "lock" for a certain school..it's almost a travesty when he doesn't go...so many brackets now have unc as a #1...with their reputation etc...can you imagine IF the committee didn't do that?



From what I've seen, OU basically has the best numbers behind ku besides the overall record...but yet we are a 2 seed at best right now

There are like 60-65 teams every year that are either literally locked in via conference tournaments or virtually locked in by being obvious as all hell. He's really only picking 5 or 6 teams, and then claiming 97% success if he gets 3 out of 5 right.

And that's all just on who MAKES the tournament. Not their seeding. He doesn't even keep track or try and brag about that. Two years ago he had SMU in, and I kept saying SMU wasn't going to make it. Not because I'm any sort of expert, but because I looked at the exact same metrics he has at his disposal and drew a different conclusion.


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[TheGimper]

There are like 60-65 teams every year that are either literally locked in via conference tournaments or virtually locked in by being obvious as all hell. He's really only picking 5 or 6 teams, and then claiming 97% success if he gets 3 out of 5 right.

And that's all just on who MAKES the tournament. Not their seeding. He doesn't even keep track or try and brag about that. Two years ago he had SMU in, and I kept saying SMU wasn't going to make it. Not because I'm any sort of expert, but because I looked at the exact same metrics he has at his disposal and drew a different conclusion.


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To further your point, Lunardi is only ranked 36th out of 90 "bracketologists". He's not even the top 1/3rd of people out there doing it. He just has the most coverage and people who don't know any better completely buy his reputation.

Rankings for the curious:
http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html

 

[MercedeSooner]

There are like 60-65 teams every year that are either literally locked in via conference tournaments or virtually locked in by being obvious as all hell. He's really only picking 5 or 6 teams, and then claiming 97% success if he gets 3 out of 5 right.

And that's all just on who MAKES the tournament. Not their seeding. He doesn't even keep track or try and brag about that. Two years ago he had SMU in, and I kept saying SMU wasn't going to make it. Not because I'm any sort of expert, but because I looked at the exact same metrics he has at his disposal and drew a different conclusion.


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Seeding is the thing that actually should be spoken about - like you said there really are only a small grouping of bubble teams that a "bracketologist" needs to be right on and they take way too much credit for just getting the field.

 

[scrybe]

no BUT last year he got 100% right, the year before he got all but 1 or 2..same the year before that.

No one said HE makes the bracket, but he does a heck of job predicting.

Honestly it's like recruiting....if there is a kid "rumored" to be a "lock" for a certain school..it's almost a travesty when he doesn't go...so many brackets now have unc as a #1...with their reputation etc...can you imagine IF the committee didn't do that?

From what I've seen, OU basically has the best numbers behind ku besides the overall record...but yet we are a 2 seed at best right now

Good try. No one was talking about picking the teams that make the tourney. The conversation was about seeding. Lunardi is not that good at predicting seeds.

Seeding is the thing that actually should be spoken about - like you said there really are only a small grouping of bubble teams that a "bracketologist" needs to be right on and they take way too much credit for just getting the field.

Yes (see above).

 

[Vinny78]

He's actually been a great closer.

Well, I don't know what you mean by closer but that Fact is for 3 years he has Consistently missed key free throws down the stretch- you can't argue that all you have to do is look at the stats and it is fact

 

[Vinny78]

You make this same claim every year and every year you are wrong. I'm not getting into this with you sgain


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Well Bounce I am not making an "argument" - like I said And if you would read and comprehend it is fact - just look at the history and he ALWAYS has missed key free throws at clutch time - Always - that's not me saying it it is FACT - check it out

 

[Vinny78]

A fact based claim is something you should be able to prove. So, since you continues to say Woodard chokes on free throws at crunch time, maybe you're the one who needs to prove it? I'm betting you can't, because that is not an accurate statement

I would rather see JW shooting free throws when the game is on the line than anyone else on the team not named Buddy Hield.

Well just in the last two weeks I pointed out on game threads 3 times he missed and many times it has been front end of one on ones LOL. You all are just Homers and don't want to "see" what really happens. I don't have to prove it to anyone because I watch it again and again and again. Like I said to start, I love Woodard BUT the reality is he misses key free throws quite a lot. Just like I Love Buddy but the fact is many times he turns it over trying to drive in the paint - that too is fact

 

[MsProudSooner]

Well just in the last two weeks I pointed out on game threads 3 times he missed and many times it has been front end of one on ones LOL. You all are just Homers and don't want to "see" what really happens. I don't have to prove it to anyone because I watch it again and again and again. Like I said to start, I love Woodard BUT the reality is he misses key free throws quite a lot. Just like I Love Buddy but the fact is many times he turns it over trying to drive in the paint - that too is fact

My guess is that we have won more games due to him hitting crucial late game free throws than we have lost because he missed crucial late game free throws so I don't much care what you think you've seen or what your stats say.

 

[oudna]

Going into today he was 12-16 on late/close FTs

Memphis
2-2 -1

Hawaii
2-2 +3
2-3 +2

Harvard
2-2 +7

OSU
2-2 +3
1-2 +4
1-2 +7

LSU
0-1 +3


+/- indicates the score we were up/down by

Bump for the guy who evidently missed it.

 

[oudna]

Well Bounce I am not making an "argument" - like I said And if you would read and comprehend it is fact - just look at the history and he ALWAYS has missed key free throws at clutch time - Always - that's not me saying it it is FACT - check it out

Stubborn and dumb is an unbeatable combo!

 

[Vinny78]

Stubborn and dumb is an unbeatable combo!

Let's see - I thought you were not supposed to call names on this board hmmmmmm. Yes I am stubborn BUT not dumb - 2 college degrees and been earning a lot for 28 years - if that's dumb then I'm happy to be dumb LOL.

You all need to grow some common sense. Just watch the games and see that it DOES happen a lot - again when it happens it happens - I'm just pointing out what HAS happened folks - get over it it has happened a ton over 3 years again FACT lol