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[CoachTalk]

Do we think Beard takes the Texas job this offseason?

That’s a great question

 

[Zimwillett]

IMO Doo's NBA future is about whether he can D on the wing. His offensive skill only need's to be making 25% of the wide open 3's he is given. If they think he can make 33% he'll be moving up. If you say he can't D at the combine then his O skills certainly won't be enough.

100% agree. Well said.

I'm also not completely sold that his offensive skills would translate all that well. He's kind of what I would describe as a plodding/deliberate scorer. He needs a lot of time with the ball to set guys up with moves. Don't get me wrong. That's not a criticism. He's great at it. I just don't think he'd get the same opportunities and/or mismatches in the NBA.

But as far as I'm concerned, I'm just going to enjoy watching him as an excellent senior (and local product) at OU. What happens after that is just icing on the cake.

 

[skyvue]

It's amusing to watch the board discussion go from "zero talent" to "in which round will Doo get drafted". And "Reaves will play pg in the NBA". Couple more good games from Harmon/JB and we'll have 4 first rounders on this team.

A bit of over-the-top positivity is a breath of fresh air after the relentless drumbeat of negativity we've seen from certain posters for so long, even after victories.

Is predicting Doo will get drafted any more absurd than claiming that OU couldn't beat any Big 12 team? Not in my book.

 

[Darwin]

They need to extend Shaka's contract!

 

[Zimwillett]

A bit of over-the-top positivity is a breath of fresh air after the relentless drumbeat of negativity we've seen from certain posters for so long, even after victories.

Is predicting Doo will get drafted any more absurd than claiming that OU couldn't beat any Big 12 team? Not in my book.

I think the comment wasn't that he would just be drafted. It was that he'd "play multi years in the nba." I think there's a chance he might get drafted. But there is a big difference between being drafted and playing multiple years in the NBA (see e.g. Isaiah Cousins).

I'm all for positivity about this OU team. But I think people tend to get out over their skis when it comes to overrating the NBA prospects of OU players.

 

[coolm]

Do we think Beard takes the Texas job this offseason?

THAT would be ugly. Can you imagine a team with UT talent and Beard's discipline? Not sure that Beard would like it given the intense microscope of UT sports. He's a god at Tech now and he could ask for the moon and likely get it (within reason). I dont see him as much of an extravagant guy so he might stay at tech for a bit.

As much as it pains me to admit that Steve guy is right about Shaka coaching so poorly. He's pi$$ing talent away in Austin.

 

[steverocks35]

THAT would be ugly. Can you imagine a team with UT talent and Beard's discipline? Not sure that Beard would like it given the intense microscope of UT sports. He's a god at Tech now and he could ask for the moon and likely get it (within reason). I dont see him as much of an extravagant guy so he might stay at tech for a bit.

As much as it pains me to admit that Steve guy is right about Shaka coaching so poorly. He's pi$$ing talent away in Austin.

That Steve guy is not always right but he's a pretty smart OU graduate at times LOL

 

[WichitaSooner]

THAT would be ugly. Can you imagine a team with UT talent and Beard's discipline? Not sure that Beard would like it given the intense microscope of UT sports. He's a god at Tech now and he could ask for the moon and likely get it (within reason). I dont see him as much of an extravagant guy so he might stay at tech for a bit.

As much as it pains me to admit that Steve guy is right about Shaka coaching so poorly. He's pi$$ing talent away in Austin.

One question is whether he would be able to get top talent to buy into that system. I think that is one of the issues Bob Knight ran into in the last decade of his career -- not all kids are willing to play with that discipline and deal with a very toughminded coach, so even with the draw of UT, a lot of elite recruits may shy away. Not saying it isn't possible, just something to consider.

Also, as to the Doolittle debate (unrelated to coolm's post) -- I don't necessarily think people overrate our players as some have suggested. I think it is more a matter of people underrating the NBA and not realizing how many great players there are. Watching TBT every summer shows how many great players there are who aren't quite good enough to stick in the NBA.

 

[skyvue]

I think people tend to get out over their skis when it comes to overrating the NBA prospects of OU players.

They do, but those are passing comments, and can easily be passed over or chuckled at. It's not as though anyone posted over and over that, for example, Lattin was NBA-bound. That was just someone's over-enthusiastic reaction after he had a good game.

By contrast, consider how many posts we've seen in the past three months that utterly dismissed, for example, Kuath's talents and potential to contribute -- many more than we ever saw touting Lattin's NBA prospects over the course of his career at OU. And the negative comments are as likely to come after a win that didn't live up to someone's standards as after a loss.

 

[BCSooners]

His nickname is "Kenny Hustle." He is a scrappy defender and spot up shooter. Do you really think that describes Doolittle? Not at all. Doolittle is a guy with mostly a mid-range game and is more than competent at shooting the college 3 pointer against smaller defenders, but doing that in the NBA is a different story than in college. And by the way, who does Doolittle guard in the NBA? He's not that hard-nosed defender that the NBA requires you to be if you're a tweener. I love Doolittle, like I said in the game thread, he's amazing, but I don't see him as an NBA player. I remember everyone here saying they thought Romero Osby or Aaron McGhee were going to be long-term NBA players. Doolittle is that same kind of guy, maybe not as tough as Osby or as smooth as Ace, but he's in that mold.

I don’t think he’s going to get drafted or play in the NBA right away, but I do believe if he worded in the G-League for a few years he could get 2 way contracts and play a couple years in the NBA if he really worked at it.

Like I said he would guard the 4, most nba teams don’t have a 6’10 stud coming off the bench or a super skilled stretch.

 

[Leroy]

Harmon had more points and boards than one of our postmen. Kurth coming in made a big difference because we were getting killed on boards and inside.

 

[oudna]

THAT would be ugly. Can you imagine a team with UT talent and Beard's discipline? Not sure that Beard would like it given the intense microscope of UT sports. He's a god at Tech now and he could ask for the moon and likely get it (within reason). I dont see him as much of an extravagant guy so he might stay at tech for a bit.

I’m picturing Amadeus.

 

[sheepdogs1]

They do, but those are passing comments, and can easily be passed over or chuckled at. It's not as though anyone posted over and over that, for example, Lattin was NBA-bound. That was just someone's over-enthusiastic reaction after he had a good game.

By contrast, consider how many posts we've seen in the past three months that utterly dismissed, for example, Kuath's talents and potential to contribute -- many more than we ever saw touting Lattin's NBA prospects over the course of his career at OU. And the negative comments are as likely to come after a win that didn't live up to someone's standards as after a loss.

Speaking of Khadeem, why are they 'passing' comments. Is it because they were proven to be wrong. Seems as if the same thing was said about Jamuni and Spangler as well.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I’m picturing Amadeus.

Harmonic minor to the bone.

 

[skyvue]

Speaking of Khadeem, why are they 'passing' comments. Is it because they were proven to be wrong. Seems as if the same thing was said about Jamuni and Spangler as well.

I think I made it clear: Most of the comments cited were made after a single game in which Lattin (whom I used only as an example) or Odomes or some other player had a great game. Yes, they were proven wrong, but so what? They were of the moment, and rarely, if ever, repeated. If someone had spent four years touting Lattin's NBA potential, that'd be another matter, but no one did that -- not even close.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I think I made it clear: Most of the comments cited were made after a single game in which Lattin (whom I used only as an example) or Odomes or some other player had a great game. Yes, they were proven wrong, but so what? They were of the moment, and rarely, if ever, repeated. If someone had spent four years touting Lattin's NBA potential, that'd be another matter, but no one did that -- not even close.

The very same thing was stated about Odomes? Not accurate.

 

[Max Power]

The very same thing was stated about Odomes? Not accurate.

After he dropped 30 in Stillwater his sophomore there was talk on here about him being a nba player

 

[coolm]

One question is whether he would be able to get top talent to buy into that system. I think that is one of the issues Bob Knight ran into in the last decade of his career -- not all kids are willing to play with that discipline and deal with a very toughminded coach, so even with the draw of UT, a lot of elite recruits may shy away. Not saying it isn't possible, just something to consider.

Most certainly a valid concern. He seems to be drawing decent talent into Tech now. If given UT's recruiting strengths he could have a monster impact.

 

[WaymanFan]

Most certainly a valid concern. He seems to be drawing decent talent into Tech now. If given UT's recruiting strengths he could have a monster impact.

That, or he could just wait for a much better job...there are a couple dozen of those in college basketball. Yes, Texas can pay him a lot of money. There is at least a reasonable chance that one of the hottest coaching candidates in America may want to coach at a school which the primary focus is basketball, not football (sound familiar?).

As for touting certain OU players to play in the NBA, like Doolittle, so what? Skyvue is correct in that fans can become overly enthusiastic about a player's chances because of a game or two. It happens at every school, and not just for one sport. I laugh every April right before the NFL Draft when I read about certain OU players getting drafted when there isn't a prayer in the world of that happening. Or some think a player won't be drafted, but will still play in the League. Chalk it up to "benign predictions from a fan".