Pending Targets

WTSooner said:
It wouldn't be two years. It would be one year, at most. I guarantee you Grandstaff would come off the bench. He is going to have an adjustment period, and being a "shooter" more than anything, will be perfect off the bench. Trier might could start, but who you gonna bench? Cousins as a senior? Woodard as a junior? Like I said, he might start, but I don't think it's a given.
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trier starts DAY 1 for probably EVERY team in the country!

Austin starts in my opinion... He's more than just a "shooter"!!
 
I saw where Tim Floyd was being looke at by Mizzou. Do you think they would be interested in Omega Harris now?
 
CoachTalk said:
trier starts DAY 1 for probably EVERY team in the country!

Austin starts in my opinion... He's more than just a "shooter"!!
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Who goes to the bench for Trier? I understand he is talented, but LK isn't going to throw the kid into the starting lineup in place of kids that have been starting for 2-3 years at that point.

Disagree on Austin. Go watch his highlight videos. 99% of the plays are 3 pointers. That is what he does really well. He doesn't have elite athleticism either, hence my comment about there being an adjustment period for him. I don't see any way he starts over Buddy as a SR or Cousins as a SR, ASSUMING both continue to make solid progress. And I have no reason to believe they won't. Can't believe anybody thinks Grandstaff would unseat either of those guys as seniors.

Trier probably would start, I just don't think it's a given, and I'm not sure who goes to bench.

Edit: And since I think we're unlikely to end up with either, I don't think Shake would start that first year either.
 
The problem with projecting a guy like Trier, is that guys like him seem to rarely end up at schools that have had 2-3 year starters that are really solid players in front of them. I don't doubt that Trier is a better player, which far more potential, than Woodard. I don't. I just don't know that Trier, the minute the steps on the floor at OU (day 1), is going to be better for OU's team than Woodard as a jr/sr.

Like I said, I think it's a moot issue, b/c I don't like our chances with him. And don't worry boulder, I know you said we'd probably get a visit. If the kid is a 1-2 year guy, and is being recruited by everybody, OU really probably isn't the place for him. And he probably isn't the best "choice" to keep building our program. If he was a class later, or even a class ahead, I might disagree with that.
 
garyeb2 said:
Everything you said is correct. But, that doesn't change the fact that you are operating from a faulty premise.

You seem to think and be saying that our current group of players are the best possible players available for building a program the way Kruger wants to build one.

There were 4 yr players available this season and there will be some every season that are better than and capable of beating out some if not most of our current starters. I certainly hope Kruger gets some of them reeled in over the next couple of years.
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I disagree . I think Heid, Cousins,Spangler and Woodard are as good as young group(that wont leave early) as anyone in the country. I didn't see many underclassman out play them.... that is ones that wont be in the league in a year or so.
Like I said if you are expecting a Kansas type recruiting class under Kruger at Oklahoma.....it wont happen.
This team is missing a true center and am athletic small forward and it will be very dangerous.
When these guys are srs(Woodard jr) they are going to be a great team. A deep in the NCAA type team. A win the conference /beat Kansas type of team.
I just don't see why people downplay YOUNG talent that isn't going anywhere and only going to get better
 
sooner 1234 said:
I disagree . I think Heid, Cousins,Spangler and Woodard are as good as young group(that wont leave early) as anyone in the country. I didn't see many underclassman out play them.... that is ones that wont be in the league in a year or so.
Like I said if you are expecting a Kansas type recruiting class under Kruger at Oklahoma.....it wont happen.
This team is missing a true center and am athletic small forward and it will be very dangerous.
When these guys are srs(Woodard jr) they are going to be a great team. A deep in the NCAA type team. A win the conference /beat Kansas type of team.
I just don't see why people downplay YOUNG talent that isn't going anywhere and only going to get better
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No one is downplaying our players, I think everyone on here loves our current group. That being said why wouldn't you upgrade your talent if possible no matter what team you are?
 
sooner 1234 said:
I disagree . I think Heid, Cousins,Spangler and Woodard are as good as young group(that wont leave early) as anyone in the country. I didn't see many underclassman out play them.... that is ones that wont be in the league in a year or so.
Like I said if you are expecting a Kansas type recruiting class under Kruger at Oklahoma.....it wont happen.
This team is missing a true center and am athletic small forward and it will be very dangerous.
When these guys are srs(Woodard jr) they are going to be a great team. A deep in the NCAA type team. A win the conference /beat Kansas type of team.
I just don't see why people downplay YOUNG talent that isn't going anywhere and only going to get better
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Don't lecture me on what type of program Kruger is trying to build and how he is intent on building it. And with what type of players he intends to build it with. I think that I have invested as much of my time and effort coming to understanding that as anyone that post on this board.

This years team was a massive talent upgrade over what Kruger had when he got here. Other than winning a tournament game, he got about everything out of them there was to get. If OU is to be at the top of the conference and make deep tourney runs, we will need another talent infusion. The current players just getting older won't be enough.

All of current in the rotation players (including Booker) are or will be good college basketball players. Probably "good enough" players, when supported with the right talent, to get OU to these lofty goals that you think are going to be automatic.

Youth and interior size, athleticism, and depth imposed a ceiling on this years team. Getting older is the only thing this group of players can do to relieve those issues.

I like our players. They are pretty darned good. Other than just players, they all seem to be exceptional young men. There are a couple of them that you are way to high on and a couple that you aren't high enough on. Telling you which is which would probably just put you on tilt and send you off on a rant.
 
garyeb2 said:
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I like our players. They are pretty darned good. Other than just players, they all seem to be exceptional young men. There are a couple of them that you are way to high on and a couple that you aren't high enough on. Telling you which is which would probably just put you on tilt and send you off on a rant.
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Regarding this last point, I will help you put some folks on tilt. The player on the current roster with the highest ceiling is Isaiah Cousins. He also seems to have the most desire to reach for that ceiling.
 
garyeb2 said:
Don't lecture me on what type of program Kruger is trying to build and how he is intent on building it. And with what type of players he intends to build it with. I think that I have invested as much of my time and effort coming to understanding that as anyone that post on this board.

This years team was a massive talent upgrade over what Kruger had when he got here. Other than winning a tournament game, he got about everything out of them there was to get. If OU is to be at the top of the conference and make deep tourney runs, we will need another talent infusion. The current players just getting older won't be enough.

All of current in the rotation players (including Booker) are or will be good college basketball players. Probably "good enough" players, when supported with the right talent, to get OU to these lofty goals that you think are going to be automatic.

Youth and interior size, athleticism, and depth imposed a ceiling on this years team. Getting older is the only thing this group of players can do to relieve those issues.

I like our players. They are pretty darned good. Other than just players, they all seem to be exceptional young men. There are a couple of them that you are way to high on and a couple that you aren't high enough on. Telling you which is which would probably just put you on tilt and send you off on a rant.
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Agree.
I believe that we overachieved this year and it caught up with us at the end. I thought we played above our ceiling and got more than we probably deserved. That being said we have a nice nucleus of young guys who have proven they can play but we need more talented guys with them to take that next step.
 
SoonerTraveler said:
Regarding this last point, I will help you put some folks on tilt. The player on the current roster with the highest ceiling is Isaiah Cousins. He also seems to have the most desire to reach for that ceiling.
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Evidentally, Isaiah and Buddy are the hardest workers during their free time. There have been a couple of comments about the hours they put in the gym late at night working on their game.
 
garyeb2 said:
I like our players. They are pretty darned good. Other than just players, they all seem to be exceptional young men. There are a couple of them that you are way to high on and a couple that you aren't high enough on. Telling you which is which would probably just put you on tilt and send you off on a rant.
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Personally, I would like to read your opinion. I may or may not agree but I do value your opinion because it is pretty obvious to me, you know as much about this team as anyone. Very few people have the ability to watch practice like you.
 
ive changed my mind. i dont want a guard at all unless its a 5th yr transfer.. we gotta be able to sell playing time to Trier, Milton, and/or Grandstaff. we need one/two of those guys to really get something going. get 'em kruger
 
Lecturing Gary on how Coach is developing this team and building this program is just plain ignorance. Man has seen more than almost anyone else outside the program. That said, we do need a talent upgrade. What some have said and I believe, is it is going to be difficult to find guys talented enough to beat out some of the guys still developing as JRs in the next 2 years. It is difficult to believe that they can bring in anybody in that time that could beat out Spangler, Hield, Cousins, or even a SO like Woodard. I hope it happens, my god I do. I just have a hard time imagining it.


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SoonerTraveler said:
Regarding this last point, I will help you put some folks on tilt. The player on the current roster with the highest ceiling is Isaiah Cousins. He also seems to have the most desire to reach for that ceiling.
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I'll agree with you with one caveat. Most of the set plays or actions they ran last season were for Cam. When the look that they were going for wasn't there, Buddy was the 2nd option. There were a handful of games this season that they worked on running stuff for Buddy. But, not a lot. In those instances, Cousins would be the 2nd option. Very very little of the offense was designed to get Cousins the ball in a place to make a play. What he got, he got on his own.

This coming season, I have reason to believe that it will be the Buddy and Cousins show. Those two will have the opportunities to get the ball in a position to make a play. I certainly have confidence that Cousins can fill that role. My question is that once he draws attention to himself and after opposing coaches start making efforts to slow him, can he adjust and will he have another trick.
 
garyeb2 said:
Don't lecture me on what type of program Kruger is trying to build and how he is intent on building it. And with what type of players he intends to build it with. I think that I have invested as much of my time and effort coming to understanding that as anyone that post on this board.
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and don't assume that because you go to practice that you somehow you have more basketball /basketball team building knowledge than the entire board ..
 
BoulderSooner said:
and don't assume that because you go to practice that you somehow you have more basketball /basketball team building knowledge than the entire board ..
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I observe. I listen. I ask question after question of knowledgeable staff members that help me understand what I'm observing. I seek the input and opinion of other parties that have the interest and initiative to show up. I have enough brain power to process the information. I have been doing it from the start of Kruger's tenure.

I didn't say that I possessed more knowledge than the entire board. What I did say was that no one had put more time and effort into understanding what Kruger was doing.

While the entire board may have me over a barrel, I can say with certainty, I know more about than you.
 
CoachTalk said:
Austin starts in my opinion... He's more than just a "shooter"!!
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Grandstaff would not start with our current guard play, he will have an adjustment period...especially on the defensive end.
 
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