Porter to.........Villanova???

WichitaSooner said:
Maybe you aren't aware of this, but the better season you have, the better seed you get, and hence, the easier opponent. They don't just throw names in a hat.

You asked me my opinion, and now don't seem to like it. If you don't want to start a debate, don't ask the question. But this discussion reminds me so much of what the overall Moser discussion is. No one can actually point to any positive results on the floor (e.g., winning conference records, tournament berths, tournament wins), so they try to rely on theories about what would have been "if only the league wasn't the best ever," "if only the committee didn't screw us," "if only there weren't five bid thieves," "if only two unheralded transfers didn't get hurt," "if only our NIL were better," etc. It has been four freaking years. At what point does he run out of excuses and do the on-court results start mattering more than speculation and theories?
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Chill chill, if you would read my posts I’m on your side about moving on from Moser. I don’t want to eat the buyout more than anything. An extra $1.5mm in NIL seems more impactful to me. Just my opinion, we obviously disagree.

I really disagree about your Capel & Hield takes, those seem bold and quite frankly emotional IMO. Ignoring the schedule context is dumb to me, hence why I’d use other measures.

Regardless, truly a sad day for OU bball when we’re rehashing the Capel years.
 
AnotherSoonerInTX said:
Moser > Capel.

Take Blake Griffin away from Capel, and the program is a bigger dumpster fire than it was when he left it. He left us with two losing seasons in a row and sanctions. After rehabilitating himself at Duke, he landed at Pitt. At Pitt, he has four losing seasons out of seven with one NCAA tournament win and a winning percentage of .516. That includes 17-15 this year playing in a weakened ACC.

Porter's good, but not great. I'd take him over Capel, though.
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Same game, take fears or Moore from Moser and he's fired
 
IndySooner said:
He was 3-7 against Sweet 16 teams. 29% of the schedule was against the top 16 teams in the country. When else in OU history has that ever happened? When is the last time an OU team won three games against Sweet 16 teams?
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2016 -- Wisconsin, Villanova, and Iowa State. I'd have to go back and check season by season, but bet it has happened since. Lon had a fairly good record at home against KU, and the conference regularly sent multiple teams to the Sweet 16.

I'd guess the teams in the late 80s and early 90s did it -- we beat the top ranked team in the country in consecutive games.
 
Sooner04 said:
It makes a big difference. Even though I harp on our awful conference records, we'd probably be a 7-seed if Mike Shepherd was still putting together our non-con.
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I don't disagree that it makes a difference in seeding. I do disagree that it makes a difference in record. You shouldn't be losing to #180 at all. Same as #300.
 
Sooner04 said:
It makes a big difference. Even though I harp on our awful conference records, we'd probably be a 7-seed if Mike Shepherd was still putting together our non-con.
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It matters in the SOS metrics so ou should be operating the same way as they did under Mike Shepherd. Having said that, I think the point being made by @IndySooner is that blowing out the #200 team is not much different than blowing out the #300 team. It doesn’t really tell you anything other than your team can blow out bad teams.
 
TINY said:
It matters in the SOS metrics so ou should be operating the same way as they did under Mike Shepherd. Having said that, I think the point being made by @IndySooner is that blowing out the #200 team is not much different than blowing out the #300 team. It doesn’t really tell you anything other than your team can blow out bad teams.
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How about losing to Sam Houston State? Does that matter?
 
TEvans4Three said:
Here is the season to season:

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So the last time we played this tough of a schedule was our Final Four team. Thanks.

And, if you look at that, 24% of the 2016 schedule was played against teams you should beat 100% of the time, while 23% of this year's schedule was played against those teams. Yet, I'm guessing that SOS was MUCH higher than this one because of the 300+ vs. 100-200.
 
IndySooner said:
So the last time we played this tough of a schedule was our Final Four team. Thanks.

And, if you look at that, 24% of the 2016 schedule was played against teams you should beat 100% of the time, while 23% of this year's schedule was played against those teams. Yet, I'm guessing that SOS was MUCH higher than this one because of the 300+ vs. 100-200.
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You are welcome.

We have to look at the entirety of the schedule. Moving the goalposts doesn't help. SOS wise, this was their 9th hardest in the last 10/11 years.
 
IndySooner said:
Bam, Mason and Cooper are NOT SEC level players. Period. They've had good runs at mid-majors.

And how would my sources close to the OU basketball program be predisposed to like him and speak highly of him? The same people couldn't stand Jeff Capel back in the day. They are the people telling me that unless things change from a support perspective nothing is changing from a results perspective.
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Bam was tied for the leading scorer for a top tier mid major that was an 11 seed this season. I'm not saying he'd be a stud, but that is a player certainly capable of competing at the P4 level. Mason just averaged 13.5 and 4 in the Big 12. That is an SEC level player, and I'm not sure how you could say otherwise. The jury is still out on Cooper, but he is certainly athletic enough to compete in the SEC and you yourself in this thread have stated you'd take athleticism over skill every time.
 
IndySooner said:
So the last time we played this tough of a schedule was our Final Four team. Thanks.

And, if you look at that, 24% of the 2016 schedule was played against teams you should beat 100% of the time, while 23% of this year's schedule was played against those teams. Yet, I'm guessing that SOS was MUCH higher than this one because of the 300+ vs. 100-200.
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You're actively making a point Wichita makes all the time about how awful Moser does at handling the scheduling
 
TEvans4Three said:
You are welcome.

We have to look at the entirety of the schedule. Moving the goalposts doesn't help. SOS wise, this was their 9th hardest in the last 10/11 years.
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I'm not moving goalposts. My original point was that we were 3-7 against Sweet 16 teams. When was the last time that happened? I didn't even check to see if that happened in 2016. I'm guessing it did, given the stats you presented.

But I do think SOS is a very flawed system because playing #200 vs. #300 should make zero difference to a Top-50 team. A top-50 team should win both of those games 100% of the time.
 
I don't like it, and I don't agree with it, but the goal is to make the NCAA Tournament and win games. I take other factors into play, but it appears I'm a dinosaur in how I view the sport. Scheduling your non-con properly absolutely makes a difference in the ultimate goal, and it is a blight on the program if we're too stubborn to adapt to that reality. One of our very own showed the way and you could make the argument that his handywork helped secure bids for very mediocre teams at the end of Lon's tenure.

I also think it's silly that we exist in a system where you're not penalized for losing games. The powers that be have totally insulated their bottomfeeders because they're being credited for simply navigating the bus to the arena.
 
cbertus6 said:
Bam was tied for the leading scorer for a top tier mid major that was an 11 seed this season. I'm not saying he'd be a stud, but that is a player certainly capable of competing at the P4 level. Mason just averaged 13.5 and 4 in the Big 12. That is an SEC level player, and I'm not sure how you could say otherwise. The jury is still out on Cooper, but he is certainly athletic enough to compete in the SEC and you yourself in this thread have stated you'd take athleticism over skill every time.
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Crazy that he says these guys aren’t SEC level players almost simultaneously to posting in the portal thread that he is sad to see Luke go and thinks he would be fine if we didn’t play him at the 5. As if Luke could guard athletic 4s any better than he does 5s.
 
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