Porter to.........Villanova???

[SoonerDutch]

I primarily wanted to see that they both played similar schedules.

Moser certainly boosts his record by playing more 300+ KP teams but with how tough the Big 12 & SEC have been, I don’t blame him.

Need some high profile but winnable non-conference scalps and then get to 20+ wins anyway you can. I can certainly buy not going for bottom of the barrel type wins though, especially when OU is likely to be on the bubble.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Moser certainly boosts his record by playing more 300+ KP teams but with how tough the Big 12 & SEC have been, I don’t blame him.

Need some high profile but winnable non-conference scalps and then get to 20+ wins anyway you can. I can certainly buy not going for bottom of the barrel type wins though, especially when OU is likely to be on the bubble.

Yeah. But we only lost 1 total game adding in the next 2 rows up of quality. Idk why you wouldn't shift those 300+ games to at least the row up, like at least 6 of them (to be equal with terry). Might have been the difference in missing tourneys in the past

 

[daqman]

If Porter leaves how early do you guys think it’ll happen? Do we hear some reliable news next week? Week after? I would guess he would want to secure another job asap for portal purposes.

if nova wants moser...it'll probly happen monday. if nova doesn't hire someone monday....then they're likely waiting on someone still playing in the tournament.
i really don't see anyone else hiring moser. no one else is going to pay moser's buyout.
i'm not even sure nova would be willing to pay it.

 

[hoopsaustin]

if nova wants moser...it'll probly happen monday. if nova doesn't hire someone monday....then they're likely waiting on someone still playing in the tournament.
i really don't see anyone else hiring moser. no one else is going to pay moser's buyout.
i'm not even sure nova would be willing to pay it.

Imo I don't think pm is likely even in nova's top 10

 

[daqman]

Imo I don't think pm is likely even in nova's top 10

i think you're right

 

[Kewllane]

In the end I don’t think Forsythe leaves, but I don’t think it’s as definite that he’s staying as some believe.

 

[mict085]

Nova doesn’t want moser and they sure as hell won’t pay his buyout to get him. This is Mosers agent trying to stir up interest so he can get another job.

Also, we aren’t that lucky. We are cursed.

 

[TEvans4Three]

My issue.

Clearly Moser needs to find a Krutwig to have great success. You need to give him NIL to kinda do that. You need a proper GM to find that player and style to fit within budget.

Then we can have success.

But if Moser doesn't have his diamond in the rough player, he is pretty meh at coaching and roster construction.

Yes we had Jason Jones and nwankwo injuries that took our year down a bit, but don't forget Elvis was his first portal commit and he lucked into Fears.

This team without Fears? Everyone is calling for Moser to go, guaranteed.

 

[hoopsaustin]

In the end I don’t think Forsythe leaves, but I don’t think it’s as definite that he’s staying as some believe.

Hmm. I completely disagree. While I like him a lot I don't think he's some super hot commodity. He had 1 extremely good game when he droppedlike 20. Otherwise, hes shown some nice potential. Where would get go that's better than ou based on that?

But I guess we'll see

 

[Rew21218]

My issue.

Clearly Moser needs to find a Krutwig to have great success. You need to give him NIL to kinda do that. You need a proper GM to find that player and style to fit within budget.

Then we can have success.

But if Moser doesn't have his diamond in the rough player, he is pretty meh at coaching and roster construction.

Yes we had Jason Jones and nwankwo injuries that took our year down a bit, but don't forget Elvis was his first portal commit and he lucked into Fears.

This team without Fears? Everyone is calling for Moser to go, guaranteed.

Porter gets fired if Fears doesn’t come here. Credit him to getting the player on campus just a blessing and a curse that he’s only here a year.

 

[SoonerDutch]

My issue.

Clearly Moser needs to find a Krutwig to have great success. You need to give him NIL to kinda do that. You need a proper GM to find that player and style to fit within budget.

Then we can have success.

But if Moser doesn't have his diamond in the rough player, he is pretty meh at coaching and roster construction.

Yes we had Jason Jones and nwankwo injuries that took our year down a bit, but don't forget Elvis was his first portal commit and he lucked into Fears.

This team without Fears? Everyone is calling for Moser to go, guaranteed.

Not being facetious at all, yes would agree getting a roster upgrade would help him dramatically. But that requires more resources which seems unlikely with Moser. Not going to say Moser is making great evals consistently (although had some positive portal guys, Soares).

Moving on without him, maybe you get a bump in resources with a new coach or better results year one. Seems tough to believe in year run and behind the portal bullet, but I concede that is a possibility.

In a vacuum (without the buyout, even if negotiated lower), I’d probably have more conviction in moving on but with limited resources probably lean towards the presumed ugliness of next year without a lottery guy and Porter calling the shots.

 

[colston15]

Not being facetious at all, yes would agree getting a roster upgrade would help him dramatically. But that requires more resources which seems unlikely with Moser. Not going to say Moser is making great evals consistently (although had some positive portal guys, Soares).

Moving on without him, maybe you get a bump in resources with a new coach or better results year one. Seems tough to believe in year run and behind the portal bullet, but I concede that is a possibility.

In a vacuum (without the buyout, even if negotiated lower), I’d probably have more conviction in moving on but with limited resources probably lean towards the presumed ugliness of next year without a lottery guy and Porter calling the shots.

Short term, just for next year, Porter probably has a chance to have a better team than a new coach.

Theoretically, if he left for another job, we wouldn’t be able to hire a new coach for a couple of weeks probably, and would be way behind in portal recruiting, so the 2025-26 roster would be pretty ugly.

 

[NickZepp]

Short term, just for next year, Porter probably has a chance to have a better team than a new coach.

Theoretically, if he left for another job, we wouldn’t be able to hire a new coach for a couple of weeks probably, and would be way behind in portal recruiting, so the 2025-26 roster would be pretty ugly.

Unless we find a coach that can get revenue right away we are gonna be about what we are for a while in college basketball. Even then we don't pay to keep guys that have talent like we saw from last year. Or we let other teams outbid us without them visiting there. We are handcuffed from being a major basketball program.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Unless we find a coach that can get revenue right away we are gonna be about what we are for a while in college basketball. Even then we don't pay to keep guys that have talent like we saw from last year. Or we let other teams outbid us without them visiting there. We are handcuffed from being a major basketball program.

I agree with the general ceiling but would concede to those wanting Moser gone OU could hire an “up & comer” that would be better than Moser/average against that 26-50 grouping with OU’s meager NIL resources simply because they’d be 4xing their salary.

Retention would be impossible IMO unless OU’s NIL significantly improved which I can’t see happening unless OU put together 3+ years of top 25% SEC success and deep deep tournament runs. It’s cool that OU has a top 25 basketball tradition but does nothing when a better resourced P5 team inevitably comes calling. And one would be hoping Fedora Joe is hitting consistently on these hires (lol).

 

[WTSooner]

Unless we find a coach that can get revenue right away we are gonna be about what we are for a while in college basketball. Even then we don't pay to keep guys that have talent like we saw from last year. Or we let other teams outbid us without them visiting there. We are handcuffed from being a major basketball program.

Nope.

If we recruit exactly the same but find 2-3 more wins a year based on better coaching, better roster construction, and better even slightly better roster retention, those 2-3 wins make a ton of difference.

And I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all that such coaches are out there.

Let’s use McCollum as an example. Do we really think he’d recruit worse than Moser? No? Okay, is there a decent chance he’s a better coach at the things I mentioned above? I say overwhelmingly YES when you look at his coaching history vs that of Moser.

So THAT is the path to better seasons even if recruiting doesn’t improve, which I’m not willing to concede that it won’t.

Some of ya’ll still blinded by Moser’s FF season, and not the results of his entire resume.

 

[NickZepp]

No I don't think Moser is that good but I just think we aren't gonna get any better no matter what with the way it's set up. You guys are way too pro Moser IMO

We need to change the basketball program to get whoever next to succeed. .The next OU BBall coach as it goes right now will make Moser look great in comparison because of the set up.

 

[WichitaSooner]

IMHO the Moser apologists miss the point. They cite things like NIL and the arena and fan support, and use that to argue that this is an impossible job and we “can’t find anyone better.” None of us who want his butt gone are suggesting that with the way things are currently set up, any coach could realistically come in and immediately compete for conference titles and a top 10 ranking. But just because that’s not in the cards doesn’t mean you can’t find someone who is a better basketball coach, who can find a way to develop players better, give us a strategic advantage on a somewhat regular basis, and get the team to compete harder (i.e., finish layups and not get dominated on the boards on a frequent basis). There absolutely are coaches out there who could finish better than 14th in our league even if none of the off court stuff improves significantly.

 

[WTSooner]

2-3 wins can make a huge difference. aTm was 4 seed. If my math is right, they won 3 more regular season games than us.

 

[SoonerDutch]

IMHO the Moser apologists miss the point. They cite things like NIL and the arena and fan support, and use that to argue that this is an impossible job and we “can’t find anyone better.” None of us who want his butt gone are suggesting that with the way things are currently set up, any coach could realistically come in and immediately compete for conference titles and a top 10 ranking. But just because that’s not in the cards doesn’t mean you can’t find someone who is a better basketball coach, who can find a way to develop players better, give us a strategic advantage on a somewhat regular basis, and get the team to compete harder (i.e., finish layups and not get dominated on the boards on a frequent basis). There absolutely are coaches out there who could finish better than 14th in our league even if none of the off court stuff improves significantly.

Lol, apologists. Would you prefer Moser-obsessed or NIL-denialists?

2-3 wins would make a huge difference. But again considering OU is at 30% of the median NIL SEC budget, it’s going to be tough to come by.

I guess like you said even a HofF coach like LK couldn’t overcome Hield’s mediocrity in his sophomore season to get OU a tournament win AM I RIGHT?

 

[colston15]

IMHO the Moser apologists miss the point. They cite things like NIL and the arena and fan support, and use that to argue that this is an impossible job and we “can’t find anyone better.” None of us who want his butt gone are suggesting that with the way things are currently set up, any coach could realistically come in and immediately compete for conference titles and a top 10 ranking. But just because that’s not in the cards doesn’t mean you can’t find someone who is a better basketball coach, who can find a way to develop players better, give us a strategic advantage on a somewhat regular basis, and get the team to compete harder (i.e., finish layups and not get dominated on the boards on a frequent basis). There absolutely are coaches out there who could finish better than 14th in our league even if none of the off court stuff improves significantly.

Player development under Moser has been pretty good.

Jalon Moore was a castoff from Georgia Tech and became a very solid player here. Same goes for Soares, Wague, etc.

There are better coaches, but your absolutist stance against Moser sometimes belies reality.