Recruiting and Slump

[Big Old Booger]

There has been more than one "situation" between he and James.

And I'm not making too much of the Spangler situation. Like I said, even the announcer went on about it for awhile, and basically said that was a bad showing for Buddy.

Who was the announcer, Reid Gettys? Who cares what announcers say anyway?

James is a freshman and Buddy is a senior. When I played sports, as a freshman and sophomore I was educated many times by upperclassmen. That's what happens and that's how younger players improve. A coach can only do so much and then you rely on the older guys to do the rest. It's the same with kids and pets and employees (if you manage people).

Sometimes I think you are clueless but you think you know it all. Whatever I guess. :facepalm

If Sampson were coaching you wouldn't have one complaint. You need to get over it, he's not coming back.

 

[soonerjunky]

Who was the announcer, Reid Gettys? Who cares what announcers say anyway?

James is a freshman and Buddy is a senior. When I played sports, as a freshman and sophomore I was educated many times by upperclassmen. That's what happens and that's how younger players improve. A coach can only do so much and then you rely on the older guys to do the rest. It's the same with kids and pets and employees (if you manage people).

Sometimes I think you are clueless but you think you know it all. Whatever I guess. :facepalm

If Sampson were coaching you wouldn't have one complaint. You need to get over it, he's not coming back.

Lon is that you? Sensitive. He's not saying Buddy is the problem, just there seems to be a legit issue here amongst the team. Then he stated a couple examples.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Lon is that you? Sensitive. He's not saying Buddy is the problem, just there seems to be a legit issue here amongst the team. Then he stated a couple examples.

Thats the issue, it's not legit. He's grasping and you are too.

A chemistry issue is like when the football team had a walkout from practice because Cale Gundy was starting instead of Steve Collins.

Or when upperclassmen decide they won't do offseason conditioning like Crocker pulled his sr. year.

Or when teammates are sleeping with other teammates girlfriends like WW did to AJ.

Those are chemistry issues.

We have endlessly heard about Buddy and Isaiah's workouts and extra shooting time. The same for Spangler. All 3 of them have a lot invested in this team and right now things aren't going their way.

Families have spats, that's expected but these are not chemistry issues.

 

[WTSooner]

Who was the announcer, Reid Gettys? Who cares what announcers say anyway?

James is a freshman and Buddy is a senior. When I played sports, as a freshman and sophomore I was educated many times by upperclassmen. That's what happens and that's how younger players improve. A coach can only do so much and then you rely on the older guys to do the rest. It's the same with kids and pets and employees (if you manage people).

Sometimes I think you are clueless but you think you know it all. Whatever I guess. :facepalm

If Sampson were coaching you wouldn't have one complaint. You need to get over it, he's not coming back.

lol, what does this have to do with Kelvin? We're talking about Buddy and how he chooses to interact with teammates on the court. He chewed out Lattin too. When players start chirping like that, it's a sign of desperation.

I don't give a flying flip what happened to you as a freshman/sophomore in the 50's. Really, I don't.

As for what announcer it was, I don't recall. I don't think it was Getty's. Seems like it was one of the national guys. Vitale. Bilas. I know, you don't like either. That isn't the point. The point is Buddy tried to publicly blame Spangler for something, during a game, when he was DEAD wrong about it. It was 100% on Buddy, which Buddy later acknowledged. Again, sign of desperation when you know you aren't playing well, so you start looking to pass the blame. This was talked about quite a bit during that game. Sorry I can't remember exactly which game it was. Doesn't make my point any less correct.

 

[Big Old Booger]

lol, what does this have to do with Kelvin? We're talking about Buddy and how he chooses to interact with teammates on the court. He chewed out Lattin too. When players start chirping like that, it's a sign of desperation.

I don't give a flying flip what happened to you as a freshman/sophomore in the 50's. Really, I don't.

As for what announcer it was, I don't recall. I don't think it was Getty's. Seems like it was one of the national guys. Vitale. Bilas. I know, you don't like either. That isn't the point. The point is Buddy tried to publicly blame Spangler for something, during a game, when he was DEAD wrong about it. It was 100% on Buddy, which Buddy later acknowledged. Again, sign of desperation when you know you aren't playing well, so you start looking to pass the blame. This was talked about quite a bit during that game. Sorry I can't remember exactly which game it was. Doesn't make my point any less correct.

You aren't much younger than me. You were a student at TU not long after I graduated from OU. ldwt356:

 

[AdaSooner]

Thats the issue, it's not legit. He's grasping and you are too.

Chemistry issues is like when the football team had a walkout from practice because Cale Gundy was starting instead of Steve Collins.

Or when players decide they won't do offseason conditioning like Crocker pulled his sr. year.

Or when teammates are sleeping with other teammates girlfriends like WW did to AJ.

Those are chemistry issues.

Agreed. There are no chemistry issues on this team that I can see. If this team had not lost three out of their last four games, I think posters may be calling what appears to be a confrontation between a senior and an underclassmen "senior leadership."

The only thing that has bothered me a little is Buddy's timing. It's never a good idea to get in someone's face with a "teaching moment" when your own game is part of the problem. That's rare, because there haven't been too many times this season when he has not performed well. But, if you're going to maintain the respect of the youngsters who look to you for leadership, it's best to let the coaches do the teaching when your game is not as good as it should be. Otherwise, it looks like you're trying to lay the blame on someone else when you're part of the problem.

 

[SoonerLou]

Again, it boils down to the starters are fatigued, not given maximum effort on every possession. Kruger has not developed the bench or given them more minutes. When your bench averages 8 pts a game, you can expect players hitting the wall. OU has the worst bench in the conference. That's on Kruger.

 

[chuckb]

FACT:
Buddy and james- Buddy and Woodard both got into arguments on the sideline.

Fact: Team is not having fun.
Fact: Big time recruits don't come to OU unless they are local. Or getting paid by assistant coach.
FACT: Team has been out rebounded, out played, out shot, out hustled the last few games.

The problem is OU isn't making teams play their game; rather opponents are making OU play their game. Got it play fast

Please tell my why a top recruit would come to OU? That's an honest question. Facilities? fan support? National Championships? Big 12 Championships? Seriously, tell me.

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[inoref]

OU just has to know the type of player to recruit..OU isn't going to beat many if any of the top notch programs for a player. OU is kinda like KSU in football..going to get decent - good players most of the time but very few truly elite one and done guys

 

[KBaden145]

OU just has to know the type of player to recruit..OU isn't going to beat many if any of the top notch programs for a player. OU is kinda like KSU in football..going to get decent - good players most of the time but very few truly elite one and done guys

We're are better basketball program than KState is a football program, I reckon. Top 15-20 all time.


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[soonerdanny]

Facilities for the student athlete, for the most part, are as good as or better than almost anywhere in the country and new facilities and upgrades are coming.

Fan support is often a non issue unless we are recruiting against the true blue bloods of the sport.

Lack of NCs is virtually a nonissue.

Lack of Big 12 championships is a nonissue unless we are recruiting against KU.

Lon Kruger and his staff are as good as anyone in the country at developing players.

Kruger has adopted free and easy style of offense that is very guard oriented and fun to play in.

OU is and has been a traditional power in college basketball since the early 80's and is an all-time top 15-20 program.

OU is the top program on the country to not have won a NC.

OU is the top basketball program west of UK, south of KU, and east of UCLA.

If you're talking elite one and done guys, I agree with you. We're a viable option for everyone else, period.


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Good post, but I don't quite agree with you on the "geography" point. If we're talking all-time program rankings, it's more like "OU is the top basketball program west of Arkansas, south of KU, and east of Arizona."

 

[TINY]

We're are better basketball program than KState is a football program, I reckon. Top 15-20 all time.


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+1.

We can pull in good to great recruiting classes. We signed 3 4-stars this season alone in mcgusty, the Aussie, and Doolittle. The only 4-stars kstate gets are transfers.

There is nothing holding this program back besides maybe a better arena. We have all the resources and support to be a new blue blood type program with Lon at the helm.

 

[KBaden145]

Good post, but I don't quite agree with you on the "geography" point. If we're talking all-time program rankings, it's more like "OU is the top basketball program west of Arkansas, south of KU, and east of Arizona."

All-time we might rank behind Arkansas but my thinking on that is as of right now. We are a far better program than Arkansas right now.

I would adjust it by saying east of Arizona.


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[KBaden145]

+1.

We can pull in good to great recruiting classes. We signed 3 4-stars this season alone in mcgusty, the Aussie, and Doolittle. The only 4-stars kstate gets are transfers.

There is nothing holding this program back besides maybe a better arena. We have all the resources and support to be a new blue blood type program with Lon at the helm.

I've always thought there is nothing keeping us from becoming what Arizona is.


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[soonerdanny]

All-time we might rank behind Arkansas but my thinking on that is as of right now. We are a far better program than Arkansas right now.

I would adjust it by saying east of Arizona.


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I thought that maybe that's what you were getting at, but I wasn't sure since you didn't include Arizona earlier. But I agree with your revised statement. Arkansas has been a dumpster fire for all of the 21st century (2 total NCAA tourney wins since 2000, and only 5 appearances).

 

[KBaden145]

I thought that maybe that's what you were getting at, but I wasn't sure since you didn't include Arizona earlier. But I agree with your revised statement. Arkansas has been a dumpster fire for all of the 21st century (2 total NCAA tourney wins since 2000, and only 5 appearances).

I typed it, read it, and something didn't seem quite right. Then I realized Id left Arizona off.


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[inoref]

I thought that maybe that's what you were getting at, but I wasn't sure since you didn't include Arizona earlier. But I agree with your revised statement. Arkansas has been a dumpster fire for all of the 21st century (2 total NCAA tourney wins since 2000, and only 5 appearances).

yeah hogs down now for sure, when rolling or decent they pack more fans than Tulsa football.