Sawyer/Mizzou

Hey sawyer, go ahead and name the other 30-35 coaches who have been to the final 4, elite 8 and sweet 16 in 3 separate seasons and make over $2 million per year.

And Larry Brown is in the same league as coach K, if not above him.
 
garyeb2 said:
He will most likely have 600 wins before he leaves Oklahoma and an easy include in the Hall of Fame. Sounds top echelon to me.
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I'm not challenging your assertion here. I'm honestly curious. How long do you see him coaching at OU?

He'll be 60 by the beginning of next season. He strikes me as a guy who's not going to keep coaching well into his 60s. I see him staying 4-5 more years at OU before retiring. Five more years should get him to 600 (essentially needs to average 20 wins/year, which is what he's done for his career).

That'll likely be good for the college basketball hall of fame, but not the Naismith (not that the college hall is anything to sneeze at).
 
Sawyer said:
I'm not challenging your assertion here. I'm honestly curious. How long do you see him coaching at OU?

He'll be 60 by the beginning of next season. He strikes me as a guy who's not going to keep coaching well into his 60s. I see him staying 4-5 more years at OU before retiring. Five more years should get him to 600 (essentially needs to average 20 wins/year, which is what he's done for his career).

That'll likely be good for the college basketball hall of fame, but not the Naismith (not that the college hall is anything to sneeze at).
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He signed a 6 yr contract worth 2.1 million. If he stays to the end he gets 16 million. I'm guessing he stays 6 yrs.

He does virtually all the coaching in practice. As one would expect the from new guy on the job with so much teaching to do. I don't know much about Crutchfield. But, I do think that Hill and Henson are both fine assistants and could play a much bigger role in practices.

As time goes along and things are going more the way he wants them, his job will probably get easier as he gets older.
 
Sawyer said:
You're in KC. You're surrounded by MU fans who are surrounded by kansas fans. That city has got to be a psychiatrist's dream. The amount of complexes waiting to be diagnosed must be staggering. Those people aren't really representative of the fan base as a whole.

If you've had issues in Columbia, blame the bocas of the world.

As for softball... I doubt either of us really care. But I do know enough about the sport to know great pitching almost always trumps great hitting, and MU has the best pitcher in the country (as well as a beast of a freshman from Oklahoma in 6-4 Bailey Erwin).
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I hope you're not hanging a ton of hope on her. THIS is one subject I know a bit about. Don't get too excited. She's been a decent pitcher, but FAR from dominant in my experience around the softball fields. She IS 6'4"...I'll give you that...
 
Beast only in terms of her size.

I don't know a whole lot about softball, but I do know she had a four-year ERA under 1 in high school (including 14 no hitters). What about her do I not know? Seems pretty dominant to me.

Either way, MU softball should be fine. We have two pitchers committed for 2013 who are supposed to be among the top recruits in the nation. Thomas is just a junior, so by the time she moves on, we'll have several good candidates to take over, and we did already make the CWS without her under our current coach (who, if you ask me, is the best coach at Mizzou right now).
 
Haith is a 46 year old mid major coach. Give it a few years MU fans willbe screaming for a new direction.
 
Sawyer said:
Beast only in terms of her size.

I don't know a whole lot about softball, but I do know she had a four-year ERA under 1 in high school (including 14 no hitters). What about her do I not know? Seems pretty dominant to me.

Either way, MU softball should be fine. We have two pitchers committed for 2013 who are supposed to be among the top recruits in the nation. Thomas is just a junior, so by the time she moves on, we'll have several good candidates to take over, and we did already make the CWS without her under our current coach (who, if you ask me, is the best coach at Mizzou right now).
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HS softball sucks, relatively speaking. I'd venture to say she wasn't a top 5 pitcher in that class, but I'd really have to think about it. She definitely wasn't dominant on the Gold circuit. She IS a monster though and seemed like a really good kid. I only meant she won't, IMO, be half what Chelsea Thomas was/is...I'd be shocked
 
Did you notice that Norfolk got the crap kicked out of them by Florida. I think that really says a lot about Missouri and how freaking pathetic they are in this tournament.

I really should be shot for being dumb enough to take Missouri in that region. Missouri never goes to the final four and I knew that.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
they won the fake basketball title
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No, they won the one that gets automatic entry into the NCAA tournament. Tournaments determine champions, just like the winner of the NCAA tournament with be the National Champion, not Kentucky for being ranked #1 on the last Sunday of the regular season

Its the same as Sampson's 3 straight Big 12 Championships
 
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Max Power said:
No, they won the one that gets automatic entry into the NCAA tournament. Tournaments determine champions, just like the winner of the NCAA tournament with be the National Champion, not Kentucky for being ranked #1 on the last Sunday of the regular season

Its the same as Sampson's 3 straight Big 12 Championships
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This is correct, the tournament champion is recognized in every conference as the true conference champion.

If you watch any of the conference tournaments, the announcers said that at one point or another during the course of the tournament.
 
Max Power said:
So you are saying that winning the tournament means nothing? So then why watch basketball for the next two weeks? I mean after all, tournaments mean nothing.
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Bounce counts 2004 and 2008 as national championships for us (football) since we finished the regular season ranked #1. :chestram2:
 
Max Power said:
So you are saying that winning the tournament means nothing? So then why watch basketball for the next two weeks? I mean after all, tournaments mean nothing.
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Not all tournaments mean nothing. I just think that conference tournaments do. They are fun to watch and all but I feel the true conference champ is the team that actually had the best record against their conference. Not the team that got hot at the right time.

It's just my opinion though. i mean, I think that kansas proved they were the best team in the conference this year but they didn't win the conference tournament.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
No, and that is irrelevant to college basketball
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Not when you have a college football mentality, which you do.

I don't necessarily agree the tournament champion is the true conference champion, but that's how it's recognized. I would agree with you that KU proved they were the best team over the course of an 18 game conference schedule, but they did lose to Baylor in the tournament.

To me, it's no different than the football team finishing the conference season undefeated in 2003, and then losing to KSU who had 2 or 3 conference losses in the championship game. OU proved they were the better team, but on that one night KSU won.
 
I agree that the regular season basketball championship is a better indicator of who the best team in the conference was.

(and I reserve the right to pretend the refs actually called a foul on Robinson at the end of the game in Lawrence, giving Pressey two shots for a win... which would give MU the regular-season crown, as well)
 
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