Selection Sunday with reactions

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I agree, while it sucks missing the tournament, maybe missing the tournament is for the best anyway

No. Especially now, it's better to make the tournament and lose by 30 in the first round than to win the NIT.

 

[WTSooner]

St John’s has a gripe. Their NET was a lot better than ours, and better than ours two years ago.

Yeah. I think St. John's and Indiana State both had better arguments than UVA.

UVA played a pretty tough OOC schedule, I think.

 

[thebigabd]

No. Especially now, it's better to make the tournament and lose by 30 in the first round than to win the NIT.

Absolutely no doubt.... It's been awhile, but this forum was pretty clear on the goals of the program.

In no particular order:

1.) Beat OSU
2.) Beat Texas
3.) Be Ranked in the top 25
4.) Be competitive in the conference and get a first round bye in the league tournament
5.) Win the league tournament
6.) Make the NCAA Tournament
7.) Make the occasional run in the NCAA Tournament

I would say that is what most OU fans on this forum reasonably expect.

They beat OSU
Didn't beat Texas
Didn't finish in the rankings
Weren't competitive in the league
Didn't get a first round bye
Didn't win the league tournament
Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
Didn't make a run in said NCAA Tournament

They accomplished one program objective. Beat OSU, who was the worst team in the league.

 

[allday92]

Committee is also selectively choosing when to value non conference OOC. Dayton as a clear 7 seed? They beat 0 teams in the tournament until Duquense stole the auto bid in their conference.

 

[SoonerfanOU10]

Several things from a new poster, but long time lurker…

- OU had every chance to remove themselves from the bubble conversation and refused to do so.

- OU probably did enough to get in when looking at resumes. The debate is circular so I’m not saying it’s 100%, so I won’t spend time arguing.

- Back to the first point, OU played some of the dumbest basketball I’ve ever seen turning the ball over like they did with so many old guys. Mind numbingly bad basketball. Bad offense. Just bad basketball for too many long stretches.

- I’ve seen an OU football national championship in my lifetime, I want to see OU basketball do the same. In that regard, I don’t know how many days I have left on earth, so if OU accepts an NIT bid, I’ll be watching. (The irony here is I text my brother yesterday and said we were going to get left out of the NCAA tourney and get in the NIT and lose in a St. Bonaventure fashion like we did recently). I said that jokingly, kind of as a hedge in case we didn’t make the NCAA tourney.

- I have more to post, but can’t formulate the thought. Too much going through the brain. I’d be curious to hear the boards thoughts on moving to the SEC. Watching those guys, I don’t necessarily think they’re better at basketball, but one thing I came away the past couple days with is if nothing else, the SEC teams LOOK different than what we run out. Guys like Godwin, Darthard, McCollum, Maks, Hugley, etc. just seem small/unathletic compared to what we will see next year.

 

[steverocks35]

They say they don’t look at your recent record but I suspect that the way we played and our record the last two months influenced the committee quite a bit.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Committee is also selectively choosing when to value non conference OOC. Dayton as a clear 7 seed? They beat 0 teams in the tournament until Duquense stole the auto bid in their conference.

There always is some subjective aspect to it. There has to be, because it isn’t pro sports where teams play the same schedules. But we only beat two teams in the field despite having a million chances.

 

[OUSKINS]

Whoever is the last team out will always have a valid argument when comparing resumes to teams that were last in. There is little margin and impossible to remove subjectivity.

Ultimately, OU has no real argument here. I personally would have put us in over UVA. But I also think Pitt and others could have argued to be ahead of us. Tons of chances all year long to erase any doubt and they didn’t get it done. They left it up to chance and some bad luck and both struck.

As a fan… I am really disappointed we didn’t make it. I love the Tournament and when we aren’t in, it takes a huge chunk of the enjoyment out. I’m a bigger Thunder fan than OU fan so I just pivot fully now, but this time of year has always been special to me and I hate not being involved. When you factor in the weird 2021 Tourney it’s been since 2019 now that we were in a normal NCAA Tournament. That’s a long time.

The disappointment deepens when I realize that 2016 was the last time this team was good. We had some decent/middling teams post Buddy and these three years of PM haven’t been “bad.” But without hyperbole, it’s one of the worst three year stretches in modern program history and if you include the final years of Lon, OU basketball has dipped to a dangerous level IMO. Program is not in a good spot. Not all PMs fault. I was not happy with the final Lon years either. Troubling.

 

[WTSooner]

Absolutely no doubt.... It's been awhile, but this forum was pretty clear on the goals of the program.

In no particular order:

1.) Beat OSU
2.) Beat Texas
3.) Be Ranked in the top 25
4.) Be competitive in the conference and get a first round bye in the league tournament
5.) Win the league tournament
6.) Make the NCAA Tournament
7.) Make the occasional run in the NCAA Tournament

I would say that is what most OU fans on this forum reasonably expect.

They beat OSU
Didn't beat Texas
Didn't finish in the rankings
Weren't competitive in the league
Didn't get a first round bye
Didn't win the league tournament
Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
Didn't make a run in said NCAA Tournament

They accomplished one program objective. Beat OSU, who was the worst team in the league.

Mine isn't even that complex. I like beating osu/texas, but in basketball we can have a very good season and not do that. Heck, not even sure if we're playing osu going forward.

My goal:
Consistent program. No huge drop-offs year over year.
Top 1/3 of the conference. In a 16 team SEC going forward, let's call that top 5.
Make the tournament 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Of those 8 times, have an 8 seed or better 5 of them.

I don't like stipulating Tourney results, b/c I think they'll come if we have a good program. Consistency is key for me, moreso than ceiling.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I know people are going to trash me for this, and that’s fine. But I think the last three years should make people appreciate Lon even more. His last five years weren’t as good as his first five, but he only missed one tournament. And we never were sweating things come selection Sunday. I’m not satisfied with being an 8 or 9 and never advancing past the second round, but he did get us past the first weekend twice and to the FF once.

In any event, it’s funny that as recently as two or three weeks ago, we had people arguing with a straight face (presumably) that Moser’s first three years have been as successful as Lon’s. I hope that ship has sailed for even the biggest Moser supporters.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Soonerbounce13…

I’m confused… you’re on here telling us “moser haters” we are asses and are happy OU isn’t in the tourney but 2 hours ago you said to fire moser in the moser future thread…

Which is it?

What is confusing about that?

I’m not a moser hater.
I think the roster isn’t talented enough and that’s on him. I think he did all you can do with a roster that has no conference level guards. That’s on him but I don’t think he’s a bad coach.

Bottom line is you can’t miss the tournament three years in a row. So as much as I hate it, he should be fired

 

[WTSooner]

Committee is also selectively choosing when to value non conference OOC. Dayton as a clear 7 seed? They beat 0 teams in the tournament until Duquense stole the auto bid in their conference.

That isn't necessarily true.

I see this argument for the CFP every year.....fans complaining that the Committee's talking points, and the criteria that decides the 4th team changed. Well, that's because the deciding criteria may be different every year. We can have a list of criteria and maybe when comparing Team A and Team B, it's the 5th item on the criteria list where you can really separate the teams. But maybe when you compare Team A to Team E, you get all the way to criteria 9 before you can use one of the criteria to make a distinguishment.

That is overly simplified, and I'm not implying there is a list that they just go down, but what fact/criteria separates any two given teams may be different than what separates two other teams.

 

[allday92]

There always is some subjective aspect to it. There has to be, because it isn’t pro sports where teams play the same schedules. But we only beat two teams in the field despite having a million chances.

They can be subjective, but there needs to be more consistency in terms of criteria and how its applied. It can even change year from year, but be consistent throughout selecting at large teams. If one year they want to value non-conf SOS, and then the next they go strictly by the next best teams in KenPom, so be it. And even though teams don't play the same schedule, that's why they have sites like kenpom, evanmiya, torvik, etc. The computers can adjust for level of opponent.

 

[TopherB560]

And it's why I want Will damn Wade, lol. It's a business that revolves around having the best players (more often than not). You end up with a good-to-great roster at Loyola? You make the dance (and advance). You build average-to-bad rosters at OU, you get left out 2 out of 3 years.

Every single time we have the fire Moser debate, and I partake, I say Moser is a good coach but he hasn't done a good job building his OU rosters. For example: he let Noland and Cortes stay on the roster 2 years too long.

This was his best roster build and it still had so many issues...which, obviously, culminated in a bad stretch run and missing the tourney.

OU has to get serious about NIL and the program as a whole. I hope DePaul was used for that or we're **** out of luck.

Portal opens tomorrow. I guess we'll see what happens. I don't think this staff can competently build a roster that will get OU safely in the tourney but I hope I'm dead wrong (like thinking OU would get in, lol).

I fully agree with Porter not building a roster to compete in the Big 12. We finally got more athletic guys on the team than his first two years. OU was very lacking at the 5 position for sure with Godwin not being a p4 starting player and Hugley not being healthy or in shape.

Also not having a consistent coaching staff has been tough with how needing to identify players to bring in. It hurts in recruiting and bringing guys in from the portal.

I agree that OU needs to get serious about NIL and program as a whole for both basketball teams. Joe C needs to figure out a vision and sell it as trying to do more for the teams, whether Porter Moser, Will Wade, Kellen Sampson, or whoever is the coach.

 

[WichitaSooner]

St. John’s turned down the NIT, even though that program is on the rise.

 

[OUSKINS]

I know people are going to trash me for this, and that’s fine. But I think the last three years should make people appreciate Lon even more. His last five years weren’t as good as his first five, but he only missed one tournament. And we never were sweating things come selection Sunday. I’m not satisfied with being an 8 or 9 and never advancing past the second round, but he did get us past the first weekend twice and to the FF once.

In any event, it’s funny that as recently as two or three weeks ago, we had people arguing with a straight face (presumably) that Moser’s first three years have been as successful as Lon’s. I hope that ship has sailed for even the biggest Moser supporters.

Won’t trash you for it, but I think you are absolving too Lon too much for the slow slide leading to PM taking over. After the FF in 2016, it was downhill across the board. Recruiting dipped, as did results. They were not good at all within the B12 or B12 tourney. Barely got by on some good starts. They kinda salvaged a couple years with a first round tourney win. The TY season was awful. No continuity. Team was out of control. I’d also say that team and others underachieved those years. Manek was better at UNC; Reaves is a high caliber NBA player, Alondes Williams was a star at Wake after not cracking rotation much in Norman. McGusty also did well at Miami. All the while OU couldn’t even get to .500 in conf.

Really, PM has sort of just continued on the path Lon left at the end. Now, the START of the Lon era was great: those first 5 seasons were a perfect upward trajectory. I was a bit Lon fan and appreciative of his time here. I think he earned the right to maybe go out a year or two too late. But I do think those final seasons have something to do with where we are now.

 

[OUSKINS]

St. John’s turned down the NIT, even though that program is on the rise.

I would turn it down, but I will say this… if the players and coaches WANT to play, I don’t think the admin should prevent them from doing so. It would actually probably be a decent sign if they all wanted to keep the season going. As a fan would I be into it? No. But I am not going to criticize them if they accept a bid.

 

[red recluse]

no nit. there’s probably only one player who wants to play.

Several things from a new poster, but long time lurker…

- OU had every chance to remove themselves from the bubble conversation and refused to do so.

- OU probably did enough to get in when looking at resumes. The debate is circular so I’m not saying it’s 100%, so I won’t spend time arguing.

- Back to the first point, OU played some of the dumbest basketball I’ve ever seen turning the ball over like they did with so many old guys. Mind numbingly bad basketball. Bad offense. Just bad basketball for too many long stretches.

- I’ve seen an OU football national championship in my lifetime, I want to see OU basketball do the same. In that regard, I don’t know how many days I have left on earth, so if OU accepts an NIT bid, I’ll be watching. (The irony here is I text my brother yesterday and said we were going to get left out of the NCAA tourney and get in the NIT and lose in a St. Bonaventure fashion like we did recently). I said that jokingly, kind of as a hedge in case we didn’t make the NCAA tourney.

- I have more to post, but can’t formulate the thought. Too much going through the brain. I’d be curious to hear the boards thoughts on moving to the SEC. Watching those guys, I don’t necessarily think they’re better at basketball, but one thing I came away the past couple days with is if nothing else, the SEC teams LOOK different than what we run out. Guys like Godwin, Darthard, McCollum, Maks, Hugley, etc. just seem small/unathletic compared to what we will see next year.

good stuff. please post more. spot on with sec, that’s why i will be banging the wingspan drum in the portal.

i want to win 2-3 games in the conference tournament. i’m jealous of teams making a run like nc state. i don’t even have hope any more to make it to a friday or saturday. i guess now saturday or sunday in the sec. maybe if we showed life down the stretch, selection shows wouldn’t be so nerve wracking

 

[WichitaSooner]

Officially declined NIT.

 

[TopherB560]