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It's everything. Huepel made boneheaded calls and game preps last year. Did we beat anyone good last year? No. But, yes, Bell is an abhorrent passer. Stoops needs to fix, and fast! Heupel is a joke. He has no idea how to fashion an offense around the players that he does have. See: Collin Klein. That guy wasn't very good either. Bell could have a lot more help, even though he's terrible.
 
It's everything. Huepel made boneheaded calls and game preps last year. Did we beat anyone good last year? No. But, yes, Bell is an abhorrent passer. Stoops needs to fix, and fast! Heupel is a joke. He has no idea how to fashion an offense around the players that he does have. See: Collin Klein. That guy wasn't very good either. Bell could have a lot more help, even though he's terrible.

The fact that people think Bell is on the same level as Collin Klein is laughable. Blake Bell is the worst QB in the Stoops era and it isn't even close.
 
I really, REALLY don't understand those that want to blame Josh for this. So he went from last year being able to call plays and score tons of points, to forgetting it all this year? Eh. He just doesn't have the weapons, and that mostly starts with the QB. Baylor dared us to beat them throwing the ball down the field, and we couldn't do it. Bell is not an OU caliber starting QB. I also think our WR's, outside of Saunders and to a lesser extent Shepard, aren't very good right now. Too many drops. They don't get open. And they don't make plays. RB's are adequate, but no real game changers back there. And the oline, while improved in run blocking from last year, is still just average at it.

Doesn't matter what plays Josh calls, if the players don't execute, they won't work. I'm not sure what the answer at QB is at this point, but that is a problem that needs to be fixed.

I think it might be the receivers to some degree too. OU needed Metoyer to be a big threat this year but he apparently misunderstood his role and made a different kind of threat.
 
I really, REALLY don't understand those that want to blame Josh for this. So he went from last year being able to call plays and score tons of points, to forgetting it all this year? Eh. He just doesn't have the weapons, and that mostly starts with the QB. Baylor dared us to beat them throwing the ball down the field, and we couldn't do it. Bell is not an OU caliber starting QB. I also think our WR's, outside of Saunders and to a lesser extent Shepard, aren't very good right now. Too many drops. They don't get open. And they don't make plays. RB's are adequate, but no real game changers back there. And the oline, while improved in run blocking from last year, is still just average at it.

Doesn't matter what plays Josh calls, if the players don't execute, they won't work. I'm not sure what the answer at QB is at this point, but that is a problem that needs to be fixed.

I don't think Josh is an all-conference type coordinator, he is average. But do agree that the QB situation is atrocious.
 
I really, REALLY don't understand those that want to blame Josh for this. So he went from last year being able to call plays and score tons of points, to forgetting it all this year?
Um no. People didn't like the play calling last year either. His calls leave me scratching my head. Especially the 3rd and 4th and short calls. Everybody knows where bell will be running and for the life of me why do we try to run blake to the outside.


Doesn't matter what plays Josh calls, if the players don't execute, they won't work. I'm not sure what the answer at QB is at this point, but that is a problem that needs to be fixed.

So when do you start blaming a coach for execution?
 
So when do you start blaming a coach for execution?

Exactly. The Head Coach. Bob Stoops. He's Phil Fulmer and every year that goes by the program gets set back further. Baylor is building a new stadium, Texas is about to hire a better coach. The OU football program is heading into a dark period. Let's hope we haven't turned into Tennessee/Nebraska never to be relevant again.
 
I watched that debacle of a game last night with the Charlotte Sooners Club. There had to be about 30 of us. There wasn't a whole lot of disagreement as to the direction of the football program. Some thought it was more of a talent issue (like me) while others thought the coaching staff was more to blame (though I agree Josh Heupel is simply overmatched as an offensive coordinator). Regardless, I didn't meet anybody who believed all was even close to well with the state of the football program.

How about "all of the above?" :)

_Heupel is not a high-major OC.
_Bell is limited at best, especially as a passer.
_Baylor's third string RB is better than our starters. Enough said.
_Our offensive line couldn't block me. Well, maybe that's a stretch.
_We have little or no depth on defense (see our second half collapse).
_When teams like Baylor have better players on their roster, that pretty much says it all about how far OU has fallen in recruiting.
_Coaching. Nearly every team we have played so far this season has better coaches at two or more positions.
_Back to recruiting, because it starts and ends there. OU hasn't recruited a tight end capable of catching passes since Jerome Greshman was on campus. Wait a minute! James Hanna is catching passes for the Dallas Cowboys now. Could that problem be play calling or coaching?

I could go on, but you get the idea. This IS NOT the "we have the best players and coaches" OU we have grown accustomed to over the years. There is trouble in Sooner Land. And, if last night's game is any indication, it's a lot deeper than most of us could have imagined.
 
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Ada, remember the quote by Bobby Bowden after the 2000 title game? He said "we never could figure out what they were doing" in reference to our defense.

Well after 14 years everybody has figured out our offense and defense and if the other team has even close to our talent level they exploit it.
 
Um no. People didn't like the play calling last year either. His calls leave me scratching my head. Especially the 3rd and 4th and short calls. Everybody knows where bell will be running and for the life of me why do we try to run blake to the outside.




So when do you start blaming a coach for execution?

When more than ONE group of players passes through the system with problems. Offense hasn't really been the problem in recent years. Then in the last couple of seasons, we graduate Landry, Broyles, Stills, Brown, and Murray (a little longer ago), and we really haven't adequately replaced them.

If Cody Thomas plays some QB next year, or the year after, and struggles, then it's time to fault the coaches for execution. Right now, I'm more inclined to say they've done all they would with the current group, and it just isn't working out. I don't fault them for not wanting to burn the redshirt on Thomas, Bell just doesn't have the tools, and Knight, despite the physical ability, choked when given the chance. There is no easy answer this year. Next year, if those guys still stink, in theory, both Thomas and Hansen would be options.
 
Well after 14 years everybody has figured out our offense and defense and if the other team has even close to our talent level they exploit it.

You are right.

Like UT exploited it from 2010 thru 2012.
Like FSU exploited it in 2011.
Or that KSU team in 2011.
 
Thanks for bringing up 2011. We start the season at #1 only to be exposed by unranked 5-7 Texas Tech, beat by Baylor then blown out by Okie St to end up in the lowly Insight Bowl.

But you're right, that's as good of a season as we can hope for under Stoops.
 
Landry Jones hid a lot of our weaknesses the last few years and was pretty much the most criticized member of the program. The good news is that the Big 12 sucks so much that OU will continue to win 10 or 11 games. Bad news is that always puts OU on a national stage when they shouldn't be and will continue to expose OU to bad losses because they continue to be the worst coached team in every game. And now they basically don't have the QB play to make up for the bad play calls on both sides.
 
Thanks for bringing up 2011. We start the season at #1 only to be exposed by unranked 5-7 Texas Tech, beat by Baylor then blown out by Okie St to end up in the lowly Insight Bowl.

But you're right, that's as good of a season as we can hope for under Stoops.

You are the king of spewing crap, and then when you get called on it, you just move to different crap. You said we never beat equally talented, or good teams. I say otherwise. Nobody is happy with where the team is today. How about we give the changes Bob made a year or two to work out? Otherwise it's the same tired, lame criticism as last year.
 
WT, like I have said, I lost faith in Stoops after the 55-19 drubbing against USC. For coming up on a decade our face plants far outnumber any impressve win. Beating Missouri twice in 2007 & Texas Tech in 2008, a couple teams playing with 2-3 star recruits is all we got. I say thats a joke. We keep sliding, just like Tennessee did under Fulmer. One day they realized they were a mediocre program in a state that produced little talent. They have never recovered. That's where we already are IMO.
 
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Bedlam wasn't a big win, right? Just want to make sure I don't celebrate it too much.
 
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