Yeah, I didn't realized MIZ....ZOU had changed their offensive and defensive schemes with the move.
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Yeah, I didn't realized MIZ....ZOU had changed their offensive and defensive schemes with the move.
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Question for Boca and others re: Football
If OU beats Tech and/or Baylor is it a big game?
If OU beats Tech and/or Baylor is it a big game?
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
I merged this with the football thread. Let's try to keep those conversations in this thread. After the basketball season starts, I'll move this thread over the the smack talk board.
I merged this with the football thread. Let's try to keep those conversations in this thread. After the basketball season starts, I'll move this thread over the the smack talk board.
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We do have a new offensive coordinator. We still run a spread, but the scheme is absolutely different. And we also have a healthy Henry Josey, who was the best back in the Big 12 in 2011. Also a healthy offensive line.
And yeah, in two years, the defense is better, as well. Schematically it's pretty similar (though we've added some three-man fronts). The difference is in the depth, especially on the DL. The SEC move has nothing to do with that. Our DL coach was always really good, and he has a lot of talent to work with right now (Aldon Smith's success has a lot to do with that).
Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
Anytime one beats a higher ranked team it's a big game...or a top 25 team for that matter. Since 2009, I'm sure Coach Stoops has won about half of those games...nothing which should get him fired, but certainly nothing to warrant a $5 million annual salary, either.
Anytime one beats a higher ranked team it's a big game...or a top 25 team for that matter. Since 2009, I'm sure Coach Stoops has won about half of those games...nothing which should get him fired, but certainly nothing to warrant a $5 million annual salary, either.
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
Since 2009, OU is 14-8 against ranked opponents.
Since 2009, OU is 14-8 against ranked opponents.
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
Some of that "better" Mizzou defense is facing those lackluster SEC offenses. They might be improved, but they aren't exactly facing the high end offenses they were in the Big 12, week to week.
Some of that "better" Mizzou defense is facing those lackluster SEC offenses. They might be improved, but they aren't exactly facing the high end offenses they were in the Big 12, week to week.
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That is better than I would have anticipated. Stoops won 63.6% of those games and three of those losses were in 2009 when OU really had some bad breaks with injuries. Not only did OU suffer three losses to ranked teams that year they were by a combined 5 points. I truly believe Bradford or Gresham means a win. Had that happened, Stoops would have been 17-5 for a very impressive 77% winning percentage. This is during a down period for OU football under Stoops. I just don't get the complaints.
That is better than I would have anticipated. Stoops won 63.6% of those games and three of those losses were in 2009 when OU really had some bad breaks with injuries. Not only did OU suffer three losses to ranked teams that year they were by a combined 5 points. I truly believe Bradford or Gresham means a win. Had that happened, Stoops would have been 17-5 for a very impressive 77% winning percentage. This is during a down period for OU football under Stoops. I just don't get the complaints.
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OU is a 7 point favorite over Texas Tech.
Baylor is another story. With this OU team not losing to that Baylor team by anything less than 3 TDs will be impressive. Seriously if we stay within 20 points Stoops will have done a better coaching job than usual.
OU is a 7 point favorite over Texas Tech.
Baylor is another story. With this OU team not losing to that Baylor team by anything less than 3 TDs will be impressive. Seriously if we stay within 20 points Stoops will have done a better coaching job than usual.
Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
Teams that ended the season ranked or were fake ranked because they had played an early Mickey Mouse schedule?
Never mind I looked it up and just as suspected. 6 wins 8 losses vs real ranked teams. 0 wins 4 losses vs real top 10 teams. Below OU standards.
Teams that ended the season ranked or were fake ranked because they had played an early Mickey Mouse schedule?
Never mind I looked it up and just as suspected. 6 wins 8 losses vs real ranked teams. 0 wins 4 losses vs real top 10 teams. Below OU standards.
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
I'm aware of that. My opinion on MU's improved defense is not just about the numbers, though.
Also, Indiana has a pretty prolific offense. I know, they're Indiana. But they've put up good numbers all year (or still were last I checked). Mizzou played better vs. them than they have against similar offenses in the past.
I'm aware of that. My opinion on MU's improved defense is not just about the numbers, though.
Also, Indiana has a pretty prolific offense. I know, they're Indiana. But they've put up good numbers all year (or still were last I checked). Mizzou played better vs. them than they have against similar offenses in the past.
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
Barring any injuries to Baylor this week I'll give you OU and 14. You want it?
Barring any injuries to Baylor this week I'll give you OU and 14. You want it?
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I would take +20 like your post said. You said +20 would be a good coaching job....so I assume you think ou will lose by how much? 4 TDs, 5?
I would take +20 like your post said. You said +20 would be a good coaching job....so I assume you think ou will lose by how much? 4 TDs, 5?
Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
6-8...about what I expected. As for Baylor, I'll wait for the TTech outcome before making any predictions. Boca, TTech is a big game. I'm not sure we deserve to be a 7-point favorite, but that doesn't diminish the fact we're playing against a team ranked higher than us. The home crowd is going to have to show up for us to win this. If they do, we'll get the W.
6-8...about what I expected. As for Baylor, I'll wait for the TTech outcome before making any predictions. Boca, TTech is a big game. I'm not sure we deserve to be a 7-point favorite, but that doesn't diminish the fact we're playing against a team ranked higher than us. The home crowd is going to have to show up for us to win this. If they do, we'll get the W.
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"Real" ranked teams, my ass. WF, you didn't specify that these ranked teams had to be ranked at the end of the season; if that's what you were talking about, you should have said so. Plenty of teams deserve to be ranked during the season that may eventually fall out of the rankings due to any number of factors: they play an usually tough schedule, they suffer a string of injuries, etc.
Boca's looking for anything he can to trash Stoops, so he's latched on to this notion that only the final rankings mean anything, but they can be misleading too.
If OU is playing, say, a 20th ranked team late in the season and beats them decisively, causing them to drop to 26 or 27th (unranked, in other words) in the voting, do the Sooners not deserve credit for a solid win? Poor confused Boca says no, but he's a blowhard with an agenda.
Or what if Bradford and Gresham had gotten injured in, say, the second game of the 2009 season and we'd gone on to fall out of the rankings (as we did that year), wouldn't BYU have deserved credit for beating a ranked team if they'd upset us in the opener, before we hit the skids because of all the injuries?
Of course they would have.
In 2008, Texas Tech came into Norman undefeated after stomping #23 KU, defeating #1 texas, and routing #9 oswho. We played them in the next-to-last game of the regular season and they were a legitimate #2 in the country. They finished the season ranked #12, so King Blowhard doesn't count that as a win over a Top 10 team.
Well, that's nonsense. The biggest reason they dropped out of the Top 10 was because we beat their asses like a drum.
The numbers I provided are accurate.
"Real" ranked teams, my ass. WF, you didn't specify that these ranked teams had to be ranked at the end of the season; if that's what you were talking about, you should have said so. Plenty of teams deserve to be ranked during the season that may eventually fall out of the rankings due to any number of factors: they play an usually tough schedule, they suffer a string of injuries, etc.
Boca's looking for anything he can to trash Stoops, so he's latched on to this notion that only the final rankings mean anything, but they can be misleading too.
If OU is playing, say, a 20th ranked team late in the season and beats them decisively, causing them to drop to 26 or 27th (unranked, in other words) in the voting, do the Sooners not deserve credit for a solid win? Poor confused Boca says no, but he's a blowhard with an agenda.
Or what if Bradford and Gresham had gotten injured in, say, the second game of the 2009 season and we'd gone on to fall out of the rankings (as we did that year), wouldn't BYU have deserved credit for beating a ranked team if they'd upset us in the opener, before we hit the skids because of all the injuries?
Of course they would have.
In 2008, Texas Tech came into Norman undefeated after stomping #23 KU, defeating #1 texas, and routing #9 oswho. We played them in the next-to-last game of the regular season and they were a legitimate #2 in the country. They finished the season ranked #12, so King Blowhard doesn't count that as a win over a Top 10 team.
Well, that's nonsense. The biggest reason they dropped out of the Top 10 was because we beat their asses like a drum.
The numbers I provided are accurate.
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Re: Question for Boca and others re: Football
You would be wise not to bet Boca. The rules will change in the middle of the bet.
You would be wise not to bet Boca. The rules will change in the middle of the bet.
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Very good points, Skyvue. I kind of had both thoughts in mind (when the team was ranked and where they were following the season). 14-8 is probably a bit better than I expected. Still, for $5 million annually, I'd like to see the staff pick things up on the recruiting trail. That's been my biggest gripe all along...not whether Bob Stoops should be the coach.
Very good points, Skyvue. I kind of had both thoughts in mind (when the team was ranked and where they were following the season). 14-8 is probably a bit better than I expected. Still, for $5 million annually, I'd like to see the staff pick things up on the recruiting trail. That's been my biggest gripe all along...not whether Bob Stoops should be the coach.
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Well look at the freshman playing this year. Ford, Dimon, and Dom Alexander are playing a significant role. Stanvon Taylor Dakota Austin, Hatari Byrd, Ahmed Thomas, Dannon Cavil and K.J. Young are all on the depth chart as true freshman. Evans is also playing some even though his name is not on the depth chart.
This last class looks like it might be special. The commits look really good too. OU needs to land some of the big names that are still considering the Sooners but add Mixon, Quick and some of those other Cali kids that recently visited and this is a great recruiting class.
This last class looks like it might be special. The commits look really good too. OU needs to land some of the big names that are still considering the Sooners but add Mixon, Quick and some of those other Cali kids that recently visited and this is a great recruiting class.
