Slightly Off Topic

[DenverSooner]

LOL. The second half of his tenure is what from the 2007 season on?

Off the top of my head.
The entire 2008 season.
Beating top 5 Missouri team twice in one year
Killing Nebraska at home
2008 tech game
Beating florida state twice
beating Miami
having a Heisman winner
playing in a NC
winning big 12 championships
the bedlam game last year
beating ND

Coming from behind to beat Nebraska for a Big XII Championship in 2010.

This is Bob Stoops 15 season. He has 154 wins. 5 of those wins are this year. He won 75 games from 1999-2005. He won 74 games from 2006-2012. The results are almost identical.

Stoops is 47-21 against the top 25. Switzer was 43-21-4. Bud was 28-18-1

http://www.soonerstats.com/football/coaches/ou/index.cfm#.UmGxCeBOT0c

 

[Sawyer]

That band of 2-3 stars wasn't exactly short on NFL talent. The game was tied at halftime (and MU led the previous game headed into the fourth quarter). The 2007 MU team was legitimately good.

 

[DenverSooner]

That band of 2-3 stars wasn't exactly short on NFL talent. The game was tied at halftime (and MU led the previous game headed into the fourth quarter). The 2007 MU team was legitimately good.

Of course they were but if OU loses a game many OU fans need to rewrite history as they complain about the loss. This year's Missouri team might be pretty good too. It sucks that you guys lost your QB. I hope they win the SEC East.

It isn't often that I pull for Missouri. Good luck.

 

[Sawyer]

Of course they were but if OU loses a game many OU fans need to rewrite history as they complain about the loss. This year's Missouri team might be pretty good too. It sucks that you guys lost your QB. I hope they win the SEC East.

It isn't often that I pull for Missouri. Good luck.

I actually think this year's Missouri team is better than 2007. The 2007 offense was better, but not by that much. They could score a ton and score quickly, but they weren't great at grinding out drives. This year's offense is built to be a little more consistent with a heavy emphasis on the run and a slew of big, strong, athletic receivers.

The defense is also better. In 2007 we had a first-round DT and LB, plus a future pro bowl safety, but there wasn't much depth. This year's DL has eight or nine guys who can make plays.

It will be interesting to see how Mauk handles starting. He's more of a Favre-ish gunslinger type than Franklin, and MU has the receivers to make some downfield risks pay off.

The road to the SEC title runs through Columbia right now. Not a lot of people here would've thought that possible two years ago.

 

[bocabull]

Stoops is 47-21 against the top 25. Switzer was 43-21-4. Bud was 28-18-1

http://www.soonerstats.com/football/coaches/ou/index.cfm#.UmGxCeBOT0c

Stoops has lost 17 of his 38 against unranked teams. Switzer only lost 8 times to unranked teams.

Here is Stoops record against teams that finished in the top 10 the past 10 years.

2012 Texas A&M L 13-41
2012 Notre Dame L 13-30
2011 Okie St L 10-44
2009 Texas L 13-16
2008 Florida L 14-24
2008 Texas L 35-45
2008 TCU W 35-10
2007 Missouri W 38-17
2007 Missouri W 41-31
2006 Boise St L 42-43
2005 Texas L 12-45
2004 USC L 19-55
2004 Texas W 12-0
2003 LSU L 14-21

4 wins (Missouri twice in 2007) and not a single one out of conference and only 1 vs a real team (Texas). 10 losses with 7 of them double digits or worse. Ada, trust your judgment. We have not done squat in a long long time.

 

[skyvue]

Here is Stoops record against teams that finished in the top 10 the past 10 years.

Limiting credit given to teams that finish in the Top 10 is a questionable standard. Why? Because defeating such teams goes a long way toward insuring they won't finish in the Top 10.

It tends to be a lose-lose -- beat them, and they often fall out of the top ten. Lose to them, and because they beat OU, their position is solidified.

 

[bocabull]

Obviously not skyvue. We beat Missouri twice in 2007 & they ended up #7. Fail.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

LOL. The second half of his tenure is what from the 2007 season on?

Off the top of my head.
The entire 2008 season.
Beating top 5 Missouri team twice in one year
Killing Nebraska at home
2008 tech game
Beating florida state twice
beating Miami
having a Heisman winner
playing in a NC
winning big 12 championships
the bedlam game last year
beating ND

I agree with this. While I would LOVE to see another NC in my lifetime, comments like the one Nick made drive me crazy. Hard to take anyone serious who won't give Stoops any credit. I too am old enough to remember the Switzer years. I was a student in the 1980's, and while I love Switzer, the football program was out of control. I personally could share eye witness accounts of how bad our players were behaving around Norman and OKC on a daily basis......... Stoops has managed to have the success he's had, without compromising his ethics, morals, etc.... a lot to be said for that, in today's world of million dollar sports programs.

Switzer will probably always be my favorite coach, but Stoops is up there in the same echelon, and he brought us back from the dead after the 2 clowns before him. Nick has made a name for himself bashing Stoops across several boards, as if Stoops has done nothing, which isn't true.....

 

[skyvue]

Obviously not skyvue. We beat Missouri twice in 2007 & they ended up #7. Fail.

I didn't for a moment claim that it was a 100% proposition. One exception doesn't prove much.

What's more, in going after my argument, you're effectively countering your own dismissals of Mizzou's talent that year. After all, they went 12-2 in 2007, and the college football world decided they deserved a top 10 ranking despite those two losses.

Why would that be, if they weren't any good? In large part, one can safely assume it was because their losses came were to OU. There's never any shame in losing to Bob Stoops' Sooners.

It also had to do with who they defeated -- #7 Kansas (final ranking), #20 Illinois, and #22 Texas Tech, in addition to generally quality programs such as Nebraska, A&M, Kansas State, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

And yet you dismiss our wins over Missouri, including our victory in the Big 12 title game, when all the top-ranked Tigers had to do was win to play for the national title. They've rarely if ever played a bigger game than that one. But the Sooners ended those dreams with emphasis.

But you, ever petty and petulant, can't acknowledge even that win as a big one.

Now that's what I call fail.

 

[DenverSooner]

Stoops has lost 17 of his 38 against unranked teams. Switzer only lost 8 times to unranked teams.

Here is Stoops record against teams that finished in the top 10 the past 10 years.

2012 Texas A&M L 13-41
2012 Notre Dame L 13-30
2011 Okie St L 10-44
2009 Texas L 13-16
2008 Florida L 14-24
2008 Texas L 35-45
2008 TCU W 35-10
2007 Missouri W 38-17
2007 Missouri W 41-31
2006 Boise St L 42-43
2005 Texas L 12-45
2004 USC L 19-55
2004 Texas W 12-0
2003 LSU L 14-21

4 wins (Missouri twice in 2007) and not a single one out of conference and only 1 vs a real team (Texas). 10 losses with 7 of them double digits or worse. Ada, trust your judgment. We have not done squat in a long long time.

This is total BS.

A&M might have been the best team in the country at the end of last season. They beat Alabama

ND played for a National Title.

OSU was a questionable call on a field goal from playing for a National title. Plus they had to deal with the plane crash.

Texas played for a National Title that year

Florida beat OU in a National Championship game

2008 Texas was the year Ryan Reynolds got hurt during the game and UT was darn good.

OU played very badly against Boise and it still took a freaking miracle for Boise to win. I think OU fans have legitimate beef with this game.

Texas won a National Championship

USC won a national Championship. OU got rolled in this game and I think OU fans have a right to expect a better effort.

LSU beat OU for a National Title.

I really don't get the complaint. OU did not lose to a single questionable team other than Boise. The only really bad performances were OSU and USC. It is your standard not OU that is the problem

 

[Salt City Sooner]

I didn't for a moment claim that it was a 100% proposition. One exception doesn't prove much.

What's more, in going after my argument, you're effectively countering your own dismissals of Mizzou's talent that year. After all, they went 12-2 in 2007, and the college football world decided they deserved a top 10 ranking despite those two losses.

Why would that be, if they weren't any good? In large part, one can safely assume it was because their losses came were to OU. There's never any shame in losing to Bob Stoops' Sooners.

It also had to do with who they defeated -- #7 Kansas (final ranking), #20 Illinois, and #22 Texas Tech, in addition to generally quality programs such as Nebraska, A&M, Kansas State, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

And yet you dismiss our wins over Missouri, including our victory in the Big 12 title game, when all the top-ranked Tigers had to do was win to play for the national title. They've rarely if ever played a bigger game than that one. But the Sooners ended those dreams with emphasis.

But you, ever petty and petulant, can't acknowledge even that win as a big one.

Now that's what I call fail.

x 2, & to add a few things:

The 2007 national champions had how many losses that year? Oh yeah, they lost 2 as well, & since while we're on that subject lest we forget, if the same hypocritical (yes, I'm looking at you SECSPN) standard the pundits used in '11 to keep OSU out of the title game (they screamed from the hills that OSU's loss was worse than Bama's, never mind the better wins that OSU had) it's Missouri who should've been in the '07 title game, not LSU. Mizzou's losses both came to a top 10 OU away from Columbia, while LSU lost to 2 unranked teams Arkansas & Kentucky), one of which was in Baton Rouge.

They should've at least received a BCS bid, but they got jacked out of that too. They had a better OOC win (Illinois, who went to the Rose Bowl that year) than did KU (Central Michigan was the only team that KU had beaten during the entire regular season who won as many as 8 games), they won their division, & last but not least, they beat KU on a neutral field. They essentially got penalized for losing a game that KU couldn't even qualify for.

 

[bocabull]

Skyvue, You act like I didn't include missouri in the analysis. I expect to beat Missouri every year like we always do. They rarely if ever had a top 25 recruiting class so we have a built in advantage. But they were in the top 10 and accounted for 50% of Bobs big wins in a decade. Not impressed.

Denver if your content not winning a single non conference game against a legit top 10 team in a decade so be it. The facts are the facts.

 

[skyvue]

I expect to beat Missouri every year like we always do.

Well, that's plain idiotic. We're not going to beat any team every year -- not in this age of parity. You clearly don't have a clue how good Mizzou was that season -- you just write them off as if they are never any good because you can't be bothered to process the info that's right in front of you.

No one else managed to beat the Tigers that season, and they played a decent schedule. They were good enough to finish in the top 7 in the country, even with two losses. But somehow that just doesn't compute for you, so you dismiss them as if it's 1977.

Join us in the 21st century. And on Planet Earth, while you're at it, because you're clearly living in another galaxy if you honestly think OU's had just four big wins in the past ten years. That's a laughable stance.

 

[Sawyer]

Mizzou played OU closer than any conference team in 1977, and it wasn't close. OU was 7-0 in the Big 8 that year and beat MU by 4. Next closest game was 15. Average margin of victory was 25.

Not that it matters. Just saying… MU didn't turn into the MU most know until a few years into the '80s (we were 4-7 that year but lost a quarterback mid-season; guy who took over—Phil Bradley—wasn't too bad, but he was still a freshman thrown into the fire at the time).

 

[DenverSooner]

http://www.soonerstats.com/football/opponents/details.cfm?oppid=15#.UmKIqih978s

That website has all of the games. In my opinion it is one of the best OU sports websites on the internet, even better than the official site. If you know of a site like that for Missouri, I would appreciate a link.

 

[DenverSooner]

Skyvue, You act like I didn't include missouri in the analysis. I expect to beat Missouri every year like we always do. They rarely if ever had a top 25 recruiting class so we have a built in advantage. But they were in the top 10 and accounted for 50% of Bobs big wins in a decade. Not impressed.

Denver if your content not winning a single non conference game against a legit top 10 team in a decade so be it. The facts are the facts.

You are holding OU's success against OU. Had Stoops lost some conference games, he would have faced worse teams in the Bowls and likely won those games.

I absolutely want OU to win those games and every game but seriously look at that list. Those losses were against some of the best teams in the past decade. Six of those teams won or played for a National Title. The others were darn close. Boise was undefeated that season but I still agree OU should have won that game.

I want OU to do even better but I am not going to insult Stoops or the program simply because they haven't. Wanting and expecting are two different things.

 

[skyvue]

I think the Boise State game is vastly overrated by both the national media and our fans. They were a quality team, that OU squad was hardly our A team, and they won on a trick play in overtime.

And it was a bowl game. Upsets happen in bowl season. It was a painful loss (every loss is), but it's not as though BSU beat an all-time great Sooner team. Far from it.

 

[NickZepp]

Ever game OU plays in anymore they 100% have to win on talent. Coaching hasn't been a factor at OU in a long time because often the coaches do things that keep OU from winning. Making game plans that seem to be exactly what the other team wants for them to win the game. It's at times like OU game plans for the other teams. And OU coaches don't believe in making adjustments so it ends up hurting even more.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

I think the Boise State game is vastly overrated by both the national media and our fans. They were a quality team, that OU squad was hardly our A team, and they won on a trick play in overtime.

And it was a bowl game. Upsets happen in bowl season. It was a painful loss (every loss is), but it's not as though BSU beat an all-time great Sooner team. Far from it.

A lot of people convienently overlook the fact that we were lucky to even be there. Outsiders love to stick the Chokelahoma moniker on OU, but that year, if Texas doesn't pull off the DOUBLE choke in their last 2 games vs. an average KSU team & at home against a decent A&M squad on Senior day, it's the 'horns who are in Tempe that night, not OU.

 

[j2d2]

I started driving to OU to watch football games in 1955 while I was in highschool. I saw the '55 and '56 teams and was a freshman in the student section when nutter dumb ended our 47 game winning streak in '57. Folks, the rules have changed. A lot. There is now a much more level playing field. For Stoops to have won as he has is much more difficult now than it was even 7-8 years ago. Lately his problem has been loyalty to his staff. He held onto the line coaches 3 years too long and they stopped recruiting. It will take at least two years from this year's class of excellent recruiting on both O and D lines to get us back to where we are used to being. OU doesnt have a problem recruiting "skill" players. This should tell you something.